Marginal Call With Junk after CR All In 10+1

PokerAmateur4 · #1 12-01-2005, 02:30 PM

The Call was marginal, did I mess up anywhere in this hand? I realize if I intend on calling with junk I should either push or fold but besides thatproblem..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t650)
CO (t2625)
Hero (t915)
SB (t460)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t555)
UTG+1 (t740)
MP1 (t1035)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 4 folds, Hero raises to t125, SB calls t110, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: (t310) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, sb checkraises all-in, Hero calls t185.

Turn: (t645) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t645) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t645

cunningham22 · #2 12-01-2005, 02:32 PM

Hero bets t150, Hero calls t185.

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splashpot · #3 12-01-2005, 02:32 PM

Fold preflop.

PokerAmateur4 · #4 12-01-2005, 02:34 PM

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Hero bets t150, Hero calls t185.

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[/ QUOTE ]Ok I could of guessed that but please be more specific. basicly I would like to know

1) Should I of pushed or checked on the flop?

2) Considering I made the mistake of betting some, should I call the rest due to pot odds?

And why.

Cheers.

#5 12-01-2005, 02:35 PM

Isn't it easy enough to figure out that the SB reraised all-in and hero called the final 185?

#6 12-01-2005, 02:49 PM

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Fold preflop.

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This is the best advise. The second best advise is to check fold on the flop

tigerite · #7 12-01-2005, 02:51 PM

Ok, who invited the fish to 2+2? This is the second godawful play I've seen posted today.

DDH · #8 12-01-2005, 02:58 PM

Either just call pre-flop, or fold.

#9 12-01-2005, 03:00 PM

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I realize if I intend on calling with junk I should either push or fold but besides thatproblem..

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think you ever had any reason to believe you were ahead in this hand. I would have folded pre-flop. I would not have bet the flop.

But, you want to know about pot odds to call the all-in. There is 310+150+335=795 in the pot and you have to call 185. 795:185 is about 4.25:1. PokerStove says you're 25.7% to beat A8o => you're about 3:1 to win the hand against A8o. You're getting the odds to call the all-in.

Even against AQo, you're 24.7% to win. If SB has AJ or KQ, you're a serious underdog (relative to pot odds), likewise if he has a set or if his Ax is two clubs. I guess you just have to decide what he might have.

Think of it this way: if you call the all-in, no one is going to tell you that was your worst play during the hand.

PokerAmateur4 · #10 12-01-2005, 03:12 PM

Thanks Zabt.

Call PF because such a bet like that is too small to push and an EP caller if he's smart has better than me therefore no advtange to raising(even with pos?)?

I don't think a fold on the button is any good?
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If you could make fun of me while providing rational for why my moves were bad then have at, otherwise why bother? And I know the bet on flop was wrose then a check or a push, it was a mistake as I was not paying attention to chip stacks.