Ck raise on flop and turn?

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I'm surprised this hasn't been really explained yet, so here it goes.

We need to bet mainly for value. We shouldn't check-raise because
1) We're not protecting against anything. It's impossible to protect against a flush draw, forget about it.
2) With no PF action and passive villains, the chance of it getting checked through is way too high. Getting it checked through really sucks.

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It is possible to protect against an outside flush draw with a check raise though right ? which is why its a decent play if there's 2 suited on the flop.

Not saying its correct in this case though.

What is the criteria for check raising a flop ? obviously there needs to be a preflop raiser in a later position than yourself. But what else ? i.e is it more used to trap opponents and increase the pot when you have a good drawing hand, or when you have TPTK and want to force out opponents ??

thanks.

[shadow29]

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It is possible to protect against an outside flush draw with a check raise though right ?

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Probability of hitting runner runner flush:

(10/47) * (9/46) = 0.04162 ~ 4.16%
4.16% * 46 = 1.91 outs.

Weight that down to 1.5 because not every runner runner flush is the nut flush.

With 1 out you need 45:1 to call profitably. With 2 outs you need 22.5:1 to call profitably. So 1.5 outs is right in the middle. Therefore, a check/raise just to protect against a runner-runner flush draw is overkill; a bet protects you.

[closer2313]

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Bet the flop.
Bet the turn.
Bet the river.

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[Fantam]

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What is the criteria for check raising a flop ? obviously there needs to be a preflop raiser in a later position than yourself. But what else ? i.e is it more used to trap opponents and increase the pot when you have a good drawing hand, or when you have TPTK and want to force out opponents ??


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The position of the preflop raiser is relevant.

If you have a strong drawing hand then you would like the preflop raiser to be on your immediate left. Then your check/raise will trap players for an extra bet to build up the pot. Alternatively if the preflop raiser was in late position, you might lead with a bet, so that a late raise will build up the pot.

If you have TPTK you would reverse the above actions to help protect your hand. Bet into the preflop raiser on your immediate left so that his raise faces the field with calling 2 bets cold. Alternatively check/raise a late positon preflop raiser to face the rest of your opponents with calling 2 bets cold.

[shadow29]

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What is the criteria for check raising a flop ? obviously there needs to be a preflop raiser in a later position than yourself. But what else ? i.e is it more used to trap opponents and increase the pot when you have a good drawing hand, or when you have TPTK and want to force out opponents ??


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The position of the preflop raiser is relevant.

If you have a strong drawing hand then you would like the preflop raiser to be on your immediate left. Then your check/raise will trap players for an extra bet to build up the pot. Alternatively if the preflop raiser was in late position, you might lead with a bet, so that a late raise will build up the pot.

If you have TPTK you would reverse the above actions to help protect your hand. Bet into the preflop raiser on your immediate left so that his raise faces the field with calling 2 bets cold. Alternatively check/raise a late positon preflop raiser to face the rest of your opponents with calling 2 bets cold.

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Nice post.

(or alternatively, postcount++)

[aces_dad]

The c/r usually slows people down. Most villians won't bet this turn after being c/r on the flop without very strong holdings, so the turn c/r attempt is risky.

And if he does have a monster you've now opened yourself up to be 3bet on the turn. I'm not sure why you asked about a tricky opponent when you don't describe this villian as tricky, more like LP given your description.

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What is the criteria for check raising a flop ? obviously there needs to be a preflop raiser in a later position than yourself. But what else ? i.e is it more used to trap opponents and increase the pot when you have a good drawing hand, or when you have TPTK and want to force out opponents ??


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The position of the preflop raiser is relevant.

If you have a strong drawing hand then you would like the preflop raiser to be on your immediate left. Then your check/raise will trap players for an extra bet to build up the pot. Alternatively if the preflop raiser was in late position, you might lead with a bet, so that a late raise will build up the pot.

If you have TPTK you would reverse the above actions to help protect your hand. Bet into the preflop raiser on your immediate left so that his raise faces the field with calling 2 bets cold. Alternatively check/raise a late positon preflop raiser to face the rest of your opponents with calling 2 bets cold.

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Nicely explained. Thankyou very much.


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Since no one pre-flop raised Iam going to bet on the flop instead of check raising...Also, I wouldnt check the turn because most players are not going to bet after you just c/r them on the flop...River is fine...
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