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Old 06-24-2005, 02:37 AM
brassnuts brassnuts is offline
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Default Re: Is this morally wrong?

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Information wants to be free.

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I wonder how much thought goes through the brain to make this statement.

Whenever I download something illegally, I know it's wrong.

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You may be interested in reading this.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2....ideas_pr.html

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"Notions of property, value, ownership, and the nature of wealth itself are changing more fundamentally than at any time since the Sumerians first poked cuneiform into wet clay and called it stored grain. Only a very few people are aware of the enormity of this shift, and fewer of them are lawyers or public officials."

I guess it's limited to freethinkers like the author of this article. I only got about a third into it. It was too wordy and didn't make any strong points so I gave up. The argument, as far as I read, was something like, "You can't stop the piracy of digital property so people shouldn't try." They may be correct about efforts to protect digital property being futile, but I don't think we should give up just yet.
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: Is this morally wrong?

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Information wants to be free.

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I wonder how much thought goes through the brain to make this statement.

Whenever I download something illegally, I know it's wrong.

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I'm sorry I am too tired to really put my statement into my own words, but this fellow pretty much sums up what I want to say.

http://www.jwz.org/doc/iwtbf.html

Like I said I am way to tired to have this discussion, sorry for opening a can of worms and not sticking around to discuss it.

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Pretty much the same argument as the Wired article but much more to the point. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyways, like I said, I don't think that just because something is unstoppable, it is correct. That's all I'm saying. Information doesn't want to be free. People want information to be free. But, "Information wants to be free" is more poetic, I'll give you guys that.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:16 AM
YourFoxyGrandma YourFoxyGrandma is offline
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Default Re: Is this morally wrong?

Just go to the library, you lazy ass.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: Is this morally wrong?

my new rule of thumb: when an OOT post is titled something along the lines of "is this morally wrong?" the answer is invariably "yes" and sometimes "yes, you sick f*ck". in this case, it'd probably lean toward the first one.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: Is this morally wrong?

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I only got about a third into it. It was too wordy and didn't make any strong points so I gave up.

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I gave up on Wired years ago because I could never finish an article. If I want to read something that can't be done in one sitting on the throne, I'll buy a book.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:42 AM
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I'll buy a book.

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Or download one.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:53 AM
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I'll buy a book.

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Or download one.

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I was going to work that in as a joke, but I really love to buy and own books.

The only e-book I ever downloaded was a Perl reference, and that's much more useful for me in electronic form than book form.

I download music, but never burn it to CDs. If I like it enough to want to listen to it in my car, I buy the CD. I suppose if the Internet existed in its current form when I was a broke college student, I'd have been a less broke college student.
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Old 06-24-2005, 08:47 AM
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Information wants to be free.

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Apparently idiocy does too.
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Old 06-24-2005, 08:50 AM
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Absolutely not.
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:33 AM
Patrick del Poker Grande Patrick del Poker Grande is offline
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my new rule of thumb: when an OOT post is titled something along the lines of "is this morally wrong?" the answer is invariably "yes" and sometimes "yes, you sick f*ck". in this case, it'd probably lean toward the first one.

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This is a good rule of thumb. It's probably accurate better than 99% of the time.
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