QQ and the worst possible flop.

Stealthy · #1 12-16-2005, 08:30 PM

Only my 2nd day at $3 $6 so I expect I played this one very bad! Vilain is 46/23/2 over not too many hands. He has not got out of line that I have seen yet but is clearly quite aggressive with those stats.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

I am thinking that the check-raise on the flop is where I can put this down but I stayed for the 2 backdoor draws and to see whether my call slowed him down. On the river I could not see any hand I was beating for him to 3 bet me from the blinds and check-raise me on the flop.

#2 12-16-2005, 09:22 PM

i think we should probably fold the c/r. If not there, then the turn UI.

Stealthy · #3 12-16-2005, 09:24 PM

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i think we should probably fold the c/r. If not there, then the turn UI.

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I was dropping the turn UI but picked up the nut flush draw so was committed to putting one more BB in.

#4 12-16-2005, 10:30 PM

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i think we should probably fold the c/r. If not there, then the turn UI.

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I was dropping the turn UI but picked up the nut flush draw so was committed to putting one more BB in.

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right--I missed that.

FWIW, there are different kinds of backdoor straight draws. With this one you have to hit two cards in sequence exactly, either the J, then the T or the T, then the J, so I get 2*(4/47)*(4/46). This comes to 1.48% by the river or ~67:1, which is like less than .5 outs.

#5 12-16-2005, 10:39 PM

If we count the queens as clean outs then you have 4 outs, but with his play i dont think we can do that.
Fold to the CR.

POKhER · #6 12-16-2005, 10:41 PM

What do you put villan on then to discount those outs?

I assume you're discounting/thinking we're drawing dead?

check the guys PT stats.

mongoose51 · #7 12-16-2005, 10:00 PM

On the flop the only hands that you could be beating are JJ, TT, 99 , and I don't see him check raising the flop with one of those hands unless he is a complete maniac.

Have you seen him do this with a relatively weak hand previously? The better your read of him the better the decision you can make.

It looks like you are beat on the flop, but peel and p/u the flush draw. Fold UI on rvr looks good to me.

UncleSalty · #8 12-16-2005, 11:54 PM

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It looks like you are beat on the flop, but peel and p/u the flush draw. Fold UI on rvr looks good to me.

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POKhER · #9 12-16-2005, 10:11 PM

I think you played it fine. The only thing would be the flop, now im not sure the chances of a BDSD and BDFD coming in but i think 12:1 is enough to cover it(+2 outs for queens that may be clean)

turn and river are fine, i think A/K he has often and isn't bluffing.

Why you think you misplayed it?

Stealthy · #10 12-17-2005, 11:41 AM

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I think you played it fine. The only thing would be the flop, now im not sure the chances of a BDSD and BDFD coming in but i think 12:1 is enough to cover it(+2 outs for queens that may be clean)

turn and river are fine, i think A/K he has often and isn't bluffing.

Why you think you misplayed it?

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Just on the flop call maybe. Also I am new to this limit and only have 11K 6 max hands in total (10K at $1 $2) so am still finding my feet.

Thanks for the imput guys.