King high flush...

[chief444]

The free card would be nice if desired but it's a good value raise as well. You're 2:1 to make your flush by the river plus you have an overcard and a lot of opponents.

[chaz64]

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The free card would be nice if desired but it's a good value raise as well. You're 2:1 to make your flush by the river plus you have an overcard and a lot of opponents.

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If you consider the flush draw and the overcard, I do have 12 outs, which sure sounds good. However, the flush draw is not the nut flush, and the overcard that could give me top pair has a poor kicker and I have a lot of opponents, any of which could have KQ, KJ, KT or K9, all giving top/middle pair, straight and/or overcard possibilities and reason to stay in the hand. I guess I'm not really sure when a value bet is justified.

[chief444]

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However, the flush draw is not the nut flush

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No. It's the 2nd nut flush...A very strong draw.

The K outs are not worth a lot compared to the flush draw but certainly are worth some.

If you always raised a flush draw in this situation (even 23s) you would increase your overall expectation compared to always just calling. So as a general rule until you get a better understanding I would recommend leaning towards aggression.

[chaz64]

Thanks for your help Chief.

One more question: Would you value bet a flush draw if the board paired on the flop or turn, or just call then?

[chief444]

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One more question: Would you value bet a flush draw if the board paired on the flop or turn, or just call then?

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It depends. If the flop is something like QQT then probably not. If it is 227 then usually I would. You need to generally consider how likely it is that the flop hit your opponents. A pretty vague answer but hopefully it gives you some idea. The best thing to do is keep posting similar hands to get a better feel.