I can toss this turn right?

me454555 · #1 10-04-2005, 01:34 PM

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 folds, MP raises, 1 folds, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets, Button folds, SB calls, Hero folds.

Once the turn bet got called in 3 spots, I figure someones got a K and I can toss it right?

kidcolin · #2 10-04-2005, 01:37 PM

Boy, this a tough spot. At first I liked it, but I didn't read the turn action close enough. SB looks like he's getting passive with a pair of jacks or something, and MP may very well be taking a stab at this. In a pot this big offering so many draws, I'd like seeing a showdown.

I think I would've taken a stab on the turn, or perhaps raise the flop. I'm not sure about the flop though.

Derek in NYC · #3 10-04-2005, 01:48 PM

I think you have to bet this turn. Check the river UI, and call if HU. As for overcalling the river, because of the SB's odd play (which looks a lot like JJ or QQ, JJ being more likely), I think you call the river also.

irishpint · #4 10-04-2005, 02:02 PM

why not bet the turn when it is checked to you?

me454555 · #5 10-04-2005, 02:11 PM

b/c I had 2 people behind me who both called the flop. I figured one of them had to have a king b/c the only other draw is a flush draw and what are the odds of both having a flush draw?

irishpint · #6 10-04-2005, 02:17 PM

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b/c I had 2 people behind me who both called the flop. I figured one of them had to have a king b/c the only other draw is a flush draw and what are the odds of both having a flush draw?

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flush draw, straight draw, middle pair, PP, AJo, who knows. I think giving one of them credit for a King here is very weak-tight.

Derek in NYC · #7 10-04-2005, 02:27 PM

Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets?

irishpint · #8 10-04-2005, 02:28 PM

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Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets?

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dude i'm agreeing with you. i dont think he has a K. i think we bet this turn 100% of the time it gets checked to us

kidcolin · #9 10-04-2005, 02:45 PM

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Think about it this way: if MP had a K, doesn't he raise the flop, either for value, or to put pressure on the button and get last action on later streets?

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Not necessarily. A lot of players wuss out there with even AK after the preflop action. He also wouldn't raise with KK some of the time. This hand played out in such a way that the flop action defines little about anyone's hand, except hero's unfortunately.

However, I still think it's way too weak to give him credit for a king.

me454555 · #10 10-04-2005, 02:46 PM

Not necessarily, and thats the crux of my dilemma. I think that given the pf action he might be afraid to raise a weaker K like KT, KJ. I wasn't sure of the likelyhood of him having a K but what hand is he calling 2 cold with that he bets on the turn with? He's not goining to bet a strait or flushdraw b/c the pot is too big for people to be folding. Furthermore, he'd be more likely to raise a strait or flushdraw than a K b/c he's gotta know his outs are clean. A K might not raise for fear of getting 3 bet w/a hand having little chance of improving. He's gotta be betting for value right?