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Old 10-01-2005, 03:00 PM
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Default Why is 50% ROI impossible?

Why is everyone so sure that 50% is absolutely impossible no matter what the level is? Is there some mathematical proof that says skill cannot overcome luck by that much?
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: Why is 50% ROI impossible?

well, lets just say we take it on faith that if the best on these boards cant do it, no one can.

to answer your question a little more thoroughly, what do you mean by "skill"? The general interpretation of that word in this sense would be getting in your bets when you have the best of it... be it pf, on the flop, turn, or river.

but yes, invariably, even when you have the best of it pf, flop, or whatever, eventually they will draw on you.
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Old 10-01-2005, 09:57 PM
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Default Dont laugh but....

I had 52% ROI in August and September over the course of 44 $6 SNG's on Party.

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Old 10-01-2005, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: Dont laugh but....

If 100 isnt considered a sufficient sample size, 44 certainly isnt enough, Ken.
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Old 10-03-2005, 06:45 AM
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Default Re: Dont laugh but....

so i guess i shouldnt brag about going 3 for 3 on 10$ NL tonihgt.. THATS LIKE 100% ROI!!! who needs a big sample size.
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Old 10-03-2005, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: Dont laugh but....

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so i guess i shouldnt brag about going 3 for 3 on 10$ NL tonihgt.. THATS LIKE 100% ROI!!! who needs a big sample size.

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actually, that's 454% roi if u won 3/3 11s
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: Why is 50% ROI impossible?

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Why is everyone so sure that 50% is absolutely impossible no matter what the level is? Is there some mathematical proof that says skill cannot overcome luck by that much?

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I don't think it is impossible but your opponents have constantly to make really stupid plays on a level that is unheard of, like calling all-ins on a missed flop with 9 high.
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: Why is 50% ROI impossible?

I'm going to guess that if you played 1000 $5s on Stars or UB and chose you games incredibly carefully with a lot of forward planning, and only playing when rested and one tabling, that it might JUST be possible to hit 50% ROI.

I am willing to bet that you cannot do it over 2000 games at Party.

Lori
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: Why is 50% ROI impossible?

^^^^

under L's condition, very likely the most skilled among us could do it at stars... but who has that kinda time?
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: Why is 50% ROI impossible?

I've averaged 40% ROI at the stars 5's for around 100 SNGs. I've been 3 tabling too, and I certainly dont consider myself very good (I started in the middle of september playing the $5's, played the $1.20's before that.)

I bet raptor or any of the other good guys could get 60% at the stars $5's.
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