Would You Play On This Table?

[beset7]

Dr. Cobben seems beyond donkish to me. I'm curious dave. You've talked before about how players who seem to be fish often times are not. At what point and how have you made this determination? I can usually spot tricky LAGs after a while but I'm curious about this.

[punter11235]

I am considering playing in that game. Thank you for sharing your doubts. I played only for few hours there and didnt notice anything suspicious so far. I will let you know if I change my mind.

[TheRempel]

There are three players who play at the $100 and $200 level on stars from the same city, know each other, and have played from the same IP address. I have witnessed them squeezing pots and softplaying each other on more than one occasion and forwarded my complain to stars support. Nothing came of it.

[RickyG]

If you are pretty sure they are colluding, why dont you post their names. Maybe stars wont do anything about it, but we can save ourselves from playing against them.

[TheRempel]

TILTKason, The Nizz and Tiltejezz.

[BluffTHIS!]

Rempel, the thing is regarding the same IP address, that lots of even major cities in both the US and europe have only one major dsl provider. Now regarding actually having the same specific IP address, this is going to happen lots for all the collge players who use their college's server (assuming the firewall doesn't block their access to poker sites or they can get around it). But the only way to demostrate actual collusion is with players on whom you can collect evidence over time making protection bets and raises and where those two players often make sure that one of their hands is not shown down. The more sophisticated kind involving just sharing and using card knowledge as I mentioned above is just about impossible to prove.

Dave, regading "Doc" that one was in the house but not the one I was referring too. I am not going to comment further since I think it is very counterproductive and disrespectful to discuss specific online players and their play, even though they are essentially anonymous. I have criticized this practice in the high limit nl forums even though most there disagree with me.

beset, regarding your question for Dave, regarding tricky lags and whether they might actually be exremely good players, I will try to start a thread on this in the next few days and perhaps Dave will resond there as well. This is actually an important topic in any game, but particularly in big bet.

[asswasp]

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and have played from the same IP address

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How do you know this?

[TheRempel]

Support confirmed it but said they had no indication of any direct collusion.

[Rolf Slotboom]

Hi guys,

Sorry I'm a little late jumping in. The fact is that there are simply a high number of good or very good PLO players in Amsterdam - the exact reason why our regular B&M game has died out somewhat. I know all of the regular PLO $2K players from Amsterdam very well, and the 7/8 regular players I have in mind are without exception VERY trustworthy. This includes people like Dr. Cobben on Stars, but also the 5 or 6 players who play regularly (and successfully) on Party. In fact, because we have played with each other so often, we know each other's tendencies and often simply like to chop each other's heads off - if only for the bragging rights. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rolf Slotboom
www.rolfslotboom.com

[beset7]

Thanks Rolf. That is good to know.