2/4 NL Stars, Covering the table, Flopped Set, Should I FOLD ??? - Page 2

Smokey_McPot · #11 10-21-2005, 05:04 AM

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Is raising to 200 and folding to a push just gross?

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Is this a trick question? Yes?

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This seems like an okay time to do it since nobody would be dumb enough to do it without having 222 beat.

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I think your understimating how stupid people are in general

sawseech · #12 10-21-2005, 05:56 AM

there's 290 in there and it's 90 to call
a pot reraise here is close to 500 total
you'll have like 400 left after potting

calling is idiotic
folding for this action is stupid

if you get oversetted here there's nothing you can do

sawseech · #13 10-21-2005, 06:01 AM

oh
just push

durrrr · #14 10-21-2005, 06:15 AM

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calling is idiotic
folding for this action is stupid

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both of these statements are wrong, although i think i am leaning towards a push as well.

Xizor · #15 10-21-2005, 07:17 AM

I took a look at the Stars 2/4 games yesterday, Players/flop <15%
That is freaking crazy. I say muck it, the stars people are as tight as..well yeah tight. I think playing this set is -ev.

Kirkrrr · #16 10-21-2005, 08:04 AM

This is really tough. I'd probably lay it down. Button's cold-calling knowing there's you and the PFR still to act isn't an OESD or TPTK, assuming he's got a brain... which is a good assumption to make until proven otherwise.

My response may be biased from having gotten into (and having seen) set-over-set situations w/ 22 more times than I can count.

Kirk

DcifrThs · #17 10-21-2005, 09:02 AM

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calling is idiotic
folding for this action is stupid

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both of these statements are wrong, although i think i am leaning towards a push as well.

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pushing into this pot w/ like 800 behind and a $90 bet into that pot is a sickening overbet. even if button played AA like this (slowplayed pf and "likes" this baord...although 33 / 88 is definately possible) he would probably muck 88 to a 800 reraise into 3 other players. that push ONLY gets called by 88/33. everybody else folds. even 99-QQ probably ditch it at this point.

the flop: given this action, if you are ahead, it is likely to a hand like A8s, 99-AA and there are MANY turn cards that can come and kill your action. getting the $$ in now is the best place to do it. further, you dont know how much you'll like the T if it hits. or the J. basically, the only card you know you DO like is another 2. GL w/ that [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Either way, i think a raise here is the best play. 284 in the pot to the hero. i think a raise of 210 is a good play here. i also think that if everybody ELSE had 800 behind, hero could fold to the reraise and push. given they don't, they are probably all going all in at this point and hero has to call and pray. but i think hero's chances of havingthe best hand remain high if he calls the reraise of his 300 bet than if he pushes and gets called.

Barron

TheWorstPlayer · #18 10-21-2005, 09:27 AM

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pushing into this pot w/ like 800 behind and a $90 bet into that pot is a sickening overbet.

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284 in the pot to the hero.

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i think a raise of 210 is a good play here. i also think that if everybody ELSE had 800 behind, hero could fold to the reraise and push. given they don't, they are probably all going all in at this point and hero has to call

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Um....it's not a 'sickening overbet' because it is ~300 pot and ~300 raise. No one else has 800 behind, as you point out.

DcifrThs · #19 10-21-2005, 09:30 AM

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pushing into this pot w/ like 800 behind and a $90 bet into that pot is a sickening overbet.

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284 in the pot to the hero.

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i think a raise of 210 is a good play here. i also think that if everybody ELSE had 800 behind, hero could fold to the reraise and push. given they don't, they are probably all going all in at this point and hero has to call

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Um....it's not a 'sickening overbet' because it is ~300 pot and ~300 raise. No one else has 800 behind, as you point out.

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lol. i couldn't see my last point for my first point [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

i guess thats a long way of saying "im w/ durr, but wouldn't be if all stacks were 200xbb"

and wait a sec...this isn't deep...post in SS, no?

Barron

TheWorstPlayer · #20 10-21-2005, 09:40 AM

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and wait a sec...this isn't deep...post in SS, no?

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It's a losing battle, but FWIW I agree with you. I post all my 2/4 hands in SSNL even if they are deep stacked. People there are smart. And they have a generally better feel for how the 2/4 games play than people in MHNL.