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09-29-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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[ QUOTE ] I hope I just missed a joke here. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you didn't miss a joke. [/ QUOTE ] So anyone that plays a hand differently than you, they're bad at poker? Um... ok then. And I imagine good players never take different lines on hands. 
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#34
09-29-2005, 04:08 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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First thought: total donk. [/ QUOTE ] This can be a very dangerous first thought. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see two or three moves like this.
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#35
09-29-2005, 04:11 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hope I just missed a joke here. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you didn't miss a joke. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, right or wrong, you're a knob. [/ QUOTE ] Very helpful, thanks. Oh, by the way if we're trading insults, I think you are a REALLY bad player after reading your posts (not just in this thread) - welcome to my ignore list.
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#36
09-29-2005, 04:13 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hope I just missed a joke here. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you didn't miss a joke. [/ QUOTE ] So anyone that plays a hand differently than you, they're bad at poker? Um... ok then. And I imagine good players never take different lines on hands. [/ QUOTE ] Like I said before, I've given my opinion and I'm going to let this thread go. You play as you like. If you don't want to hear advice that differs from your own, I'm really not sure why you're here...
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#37
09-29-2005, 04:19 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
Anyone that plays the hand differently than you is bad at poker, but I'm the one that isn't open to other people's opinions?
Believe me, I'm perfectly fine with listening to others' opinions. That is why I'm here. But you really haven't attempted to engage in any debate about my main point, which was avoiding expensive coinflips early in tournaments. About half way through the thread, you started making generalized statements about anyone that disagreed with you.
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#38
09-29-2005, 04:19 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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[ QUOTE ] First thought: total donk. [/ QUOTE ] This can be a very dangerous first thought. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see two or three moves like this. [/ QUOTE ] just curious... when you give him "the benefit of the doubt" here, how does that affect the way you proceed with the hand. does this mean you give him credit for strictly a pocket pair or ak? does giving him the benefit of the doubt sway your decision as to whether he may or may not have AA/KK? just wondering how your read/hand range on villian might change based on whether or not he's a "donk".
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#39
09-29-2005, 04:27 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
Maybe he just doesn't want to hear someone say that he's a bad player because his opinion differs. It is quite possible to give advice without being insulting.
And this decision is so close and so read dependent that going one way or the other would not automatically classify someone as a bad player. Personally, I would call, and it IS due to stack size considerations. Hero is well below the average, but if he had a significant stack and losing here would bust him, I would fold. So, wiggs, I agree with your reasoning, and it's directly related to the math behind ICM. Therefore, you don't suck, at least based on your reasoning behind this play.
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#40
09-29-2005, 04:34 PM
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Re: $55: Mystified. Do donks still do this in the 55\'s?
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But you really haven't attempted to engage in any debate about my main point, which was avoiding expensive coinflips early in tournaments. [/ QUOTE ] Your perception that you should always avoid coinflips early on is wrong. Even expensive ones. It all depends on the price you are getting to flip the coin. In this case we are being offered great odds because of the dead money in the pot, making a call +EV. I don't know the exact ICM number because I haven't done the calculations, but I don't see how it could be close enough to make folding correct.
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