3 Pre Flop Questions

[mojobluesman]

Hand #1

UTG limps and CO is already in.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, Hero ?

Hand #2

Potential steal raise and potential isolation re-raise.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero ?

Hand #3

39 cents to call a field of many players.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.89 (All-In), SB completes, Hero ?

[car ramrod]

fold, maybe short handed
fold, dominated way too often
call

[MrWookie47]

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fold, maybe short handed
fold, dominated way too often
call

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[tiltaholic]

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Hand #1

UTG limps and CO is already in.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, Hero ?

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if the table is loose and passive i will limp.

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Hand #2

Potential steal raise and potential isolation re-raise.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero ?


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you need to provide a read on CO and SB to know if this is a steal and then resteal. i fold against unknowns.
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Hand #3

39 cents to call a field of many players.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.89 (All-In), SB completes, Hero ?

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i think a call is ok. i think a fold is ok too.

[droolie]

Hand 1: Depends. If the table is loose passive I'll call, otherwise fold.

Hand 2: Fold. Two bets OOP with a hand that will make top pair and be dominated? I let them duke it out without my dead money.


Hand 3: The action is weird (I think button raised all-in $0.39) if so I fold this crap hand.

[MrWookie47]

It's a crap hand, but I think the pot odds are irresitable, especially since the PFR's hand may still be a random hand.

I can see calling in hand 1. I'll usually fold, but at some high VPIP tables, calling is alright.

[droolie]

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It's a crap hand, but I think the pot odds are irresitable, especially since the PFR's hand may still be a random hand.


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I think we've had this conversation before (it may not have been you though...) The problem with hands like this is their reverse implied odds are atrocious and you will make many second and third best hand without knowing it before losing a few bets more often than you will flop a big hand (especially against a field this large.) I just think they're a waste of time and effort because even if you play them expertly you will barely eke out a small profit. You will be put in many uncomfortable situations that will cause some mental fatigue and produce meager profits at best. I prefer to save my mental bullets for better spots, especially when multi-tabling.

[MrWookie47]

I think with pot odds this good, we can choose to only continue on the miracle flops (2 pair+) and be +EV.

[DeathDonkey]

Call
Fold
Call

-DeathDonkey

[crownjules]

Hand 1: Limp it and see what the flop brings.

Hand 2: Fold. CO may be trying to steal, but SB thinks he has a better hand than that.

Hand 3: Call. Odds are good if you hit twopair or better.