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Old 12-11-2005, 07:02 PM
revlis87 revlis87 is offline
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Default Deep 10-20 draw

history between me and villian is as follows. he has run as hot as I have ever seen someone run between us, cracked my KK with J 6, has hit a bunch of trips, straights etc. i saw him run 400 to 15000 yesterday so hes running hot. not a regular.

Anyway, onto the hand

I (3500) raise Q 9 off from the CO. Button calls (he calls a lot in position) and SB and BB (villian who covers) come along for the ride.

Flop: J 10 2... check check check, button bets 300. SB folds, Villian calls. I push. 950 or something in the pot. thoughts? am i being too results oriented considering i didnt hit my draw or am I a donk?
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

Would you ever do this with anything but a draw?

That seems like too big an overbet to me with such a mediocre draw.
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

Seems pretty standard. If you have any fold equity at all its a good play. It also gets you action when you have AA KK QQ JJ TT. Just play those hands the same way.
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

he floipped over 10 2 ... of course [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

i think is push is terrible against the player described. players like this love to make huge calls, and I would expect a call from a strong J or better here.

why not just call the flop?
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

I think you should bet the flop.
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: Deep 10-20 draw

I don't love the open if the button is coming along too loosely since then we get to play Q9o out of position frequently. Yuck.

Beyond that I'd have led since if I did open with Q9o this is a pretty damn good flop for it. But after having checked I think call is far superior since your deep and the straight is tricky and he'll likely still pay off...

People running hot generally pay off too much w/Top pair etc not fold often which makes this worse. I'd probably guess the fold equity isn't high here.
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