see mike push. push mike, push

[mike l.]

see i dont know how to play no limit yet.

well that's not really true. ive been playing limit hold em for several years now full time so i do understand things like implied odds, trap hands, bluffing and catching bluffs, ftop and all it's nuances, reading hands and player's tendencies and other things really well. and tilt, i know about tilt, getting into it, staying out of it, spotting people on it. but put that all aside and there's a problem i find myself in quite regularly:

i get red AA in the bb. 5-5 500 max mediocre live game. utg+1 raises to just $10, a bunch of people call, i make it $50 more to go, utg+1 and the button call. they both think im fos from years of laggy limit play, and because they have an incomplete concept of how to play limit hold em really well. but we havent played any nl together. i have $440 and they have me covered. the flop comes TsTc6s.

and i dont know what to do.

so i push.

can someone help me?

[Gregg777]

If a bunch of people call, make it $100 to go, then pot the flop.

[mike l.]

"If a bunch of people call, make it $100 to go, then pot the flop."

2 people called. is that a bunch?

[lapoker17]

jesus - every hand you post, you push. settle down.

bet 3/4 pot and see what they do. or you can check it if you want to and see what they do. This isn't that drawy a board, but if you really fear the flush, bet full pot.

you have to understand the concept that with bets like this you're only getting called by a better hand right?

the only way this is good is if they think you have ak and will call w any pair, but there are easier edges to exploit in these types of games.

[captZEEbo1]

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"If a bunch of people call, make it $100 to go, then pot the flop."

2 people called. is that a bunch?

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2 people is not a bunch lol. Be more clear....and just make a pot raise, seems easy enough. 50 is a little less than pot.

[mike l.]

"you have to understand the concept that with bets like this you're only getting called by a better hand right?"

no. they will call with a lot of pocket pairs.

[lapoker17]

maybe you missed this:

"the only way this is good is if they think you have ak and will call w any pair"

so they're complete morons, fine. then what's the question?

[mikech]

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utg+1 raises to just $10, a bunch of people call, i make it $50 more to go, utg+1 and the button call.

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how many is a bunch? i think when you said 2 called you were saying how many called your raise of 50 more, but the question was referring to how many called the initial 10. if the answer is more than 2, then raise more preflop.

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5-5 500 max mediocre live game

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"you have to understand the concept that with bets like this you're only getting called by a better hand right?"

no. they will call with a lot of pocket pairs.

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you open-push 440 into a pot of about 200, and they'll call with a lot of pocket pairs? sounds better than a mediocre game to me.

[mike l.]

let's start over. i think pushing might not be the optimal play but at the same time im not folding AA agaisnt these clowns. and they may not call the flop with something like 99 or 88.

so if im not folding should i be pushing? i dont want to give a free card.. maybe pushing was fine.

preflop: since i had AA i figured i didnt mind something like 1 or 2 callers. with QQ i wouldve just tried to blow everyone out by raising $120 more or something.

[TomCollins]

What free card are you worried about? This is a way ahead or way behind situation. If they have a ten, you are going broke.