2 folds - right or wrong

[Ragnarok]

These 2 hands were dealt consequtively. Should I have played either or both of these. Party 20+2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

CO (t1175)
jhkues (t1790)
SB (t805)
BB (t515)
UTG (t1460)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t515)
MP2 (t1075)

Preflop: jhkues is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>.
--&gt; Converter does not seem to be working
--&gt; CO is all-In [1175]
--&gt; I Fold

Final Pot: t150



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t1325)
jhkues (t1790)
Button (t755)
SB (t415)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t665)
UTG+1 (t515)
MP1 (t1075)

Preflop: jhkues is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, jhkues calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t350) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t400</font>, jhkues folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t950

[Hornacek]

Hand 1 is an obvious fold. If you want to play aggressive, raise aggressive, don't call aggressively! lol!

Hand 2, why fold? Raiser is screaming A-x to me. If you think he has an overpair, you never should have called PF, as you're not getting sufficient odds to flop a set.

[sng-sam]

Hornacek's post is dead on.

SAM

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Hand 2, why fold? Raiser is screaming A-x to me. If you think he has an overpair, you never should have called PF, as you're not getting sufficient odds to flop a set.

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He's getting implied odds to flop a set. Also, there's no shame in folding given new information--"playing consistently" is not a +EV concept.

First hand is an easy fold. I'm not sure about the second.

[bennies]

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Hand 2, Raiser is screaming A-x to me.

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What? How do you hear this. Limping with Ax is more likely than limping with a pair? And now he plays back at BB for half his own stack with nada? Or does he have exactly A5? I don't get it...

[Hornacek]

What the hell kinda of new information is given? It seems like its a $6 - $33 tourney, so I'd push Hand 2 in those tnys any time. Don't play scared. Surprisingly, your opponents don't hold the nuts every hand.

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What the hell kinda of new information is given? It seems like its a $6 - $33 tourney, so I'd push Hand 2 in those tnys any time. Don't play scared. Surprisingly, your opponents don't hold the nuts every hand.

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The new information reference was just a general reply to your advice. In this hand, I think a push is correct. But, in general, if you call on one street thinking your hand is good, that does not require that you call on the next street if a blank falls.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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Hand 2, Raiser is screaming A-x to me.

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What? How do you hear this. Limping with Ax is more likely than limping with a pair? And now he plays back at BB for half his own stack with nada? Or does he have exactly A5? I don't get it...

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I haven't played 22s in while, so I'm not really sure. At higher levels, this min raise is really scary...and I'd be concerned about 22-55, 77-TT.

Ax? Sure, it's possible, but I don't see why he'd raise with that, unless he had A4.

I think folding is ok, depending on your opinion on the villian.

Of course, the preflop limp is awful. I'd probably just push preflop.

[DyessMan89]

Like Phil said, the min-raise does look fishy. It seems to me more of a set then A-X. I think you can wait for a better spot then gamble on an overpair and gutshot straight draw, when faced with a bet and raise for 1/2 your stack.

But it would be nice if reads were given, its very read dependant.

[bluefeet]

1 - groovey
2 - fold or push PF. pushing over the limper sells the aggression better to the blinds - read dependant. fold is groovey too. can't limp this stuff at this level of blinds, with your stack.