too passive?

lil feller · #1 11-30-2005, 05:11 PM

Big blind is 22/9/1.9
MP2 is 17/6/1.5

I considered folding the river, am I nuts?

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Preflop: lil feller is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, lil feller calls, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, lil feller calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
lil feller checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, lil feller raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 caps, CO folds, lil feller calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
lil feller checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, lil feller calls.

River: (15.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
lil feller checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, lil feller calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

all comments appreciated,

lf

#2 11-30-2005, 05:20 PM

Interesting hand. If you assume that the BB will play AK,AA,QQ the same way preflop+flop, you are a 2-1 favorite to have the best hand on the turn, I wouldnt worry too much about the MP2 guy since it looks to me that he is on a flushdraw given the way he played the flop and turn. So I think checkraising this turn is right move. If you are 3 bet I would call down.

flawless_victory · #3 11-30-2005, 05:25 PM

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If you assume that the BB will play AK,AA,QQ the same way preflop+flop, you are a 2-1 favorite to have the best hand on the turn, I wouldnt worry too much about the MP2 guy since it looks to me that he is on a flushdraw given the way he played the flop and turn. So I think checkraising this turn is right move. If you are 3 bet I would call down.

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note that a full might be more like;y to go for the checkraise on fourth, so i would def put him on a likely AK here.

lil feller · #4 11-30-2005, 05:43 PM

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Interesting hand. If you assume that the BB will play AK,AA,QQ the same way preflop+flop, you are a 2-1 favorite to have the best hand on the turn, I wouldnt worry too much about the MP2 guy since it looks to me that he is on a flushdraw given the way he played the flop and turn. So I think checkraising this turn is right move. If you are 3 bet I would call down.

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I wasn't worried at all about MP2, it was the BB that concerned me. How does my edge change if you add AQ to the mix, i'm on my way out but I'll try to pokerstove it later.

thanks,

lf

#5 12-01-2005, 01:43 AM

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Interesting hand. If you assume that the BB will play AK,AA,QQ the same way preflop+flop, you are a 2-1 favorite to have the best hand on the turn, I wouldnt worry too much about the MP2 guy since it looks to me that he is on a flushdraw given the way he played the flop and turn. So I think checkraising this turn is right move. If you are 3 bet I would call down.

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I wasn't worried at all about MP2, it was the BB that concerned me. How does my edge change if you add AQ to the mix, i'm on my way out but I'll try to pokerstove it later.

thanks,

lf

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If the villain would play AQ the same way then you are now a 5:4 underdog.

QTip · #6 12-01-2005, 02:26 AM

In play, these would be my thoughts:

PF...ok...please a 7....

Flop, ty God, time to c/r. Once the others just call, it's hard to say what they have, the pots big so there are a lot of possibilities. After I c/r, the BB should 3 bet his AK or AQ and sets...so a lot of combos there. He could feel I have clubs or whatever. When MP caps it, I immediately feel he has 2 clubs. He didn't want to raise with his JTs on the flop to blow away the field. Now he has a field and he thinks he can pump it for value and maybe get a free card/buy button deal.

Turn: I throw up a little in my mouth and bet for what I think is value [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] MP2 is going no where with his flush draw even if BB raises me. Should BB raise me, he should know I'm no longer pumping a flush draw, and seeming doesn't care if I have a boat because his is bigger. I'd just call his raise. If MP 3 bet, I honestly don't know what I'd do. A7 makes no sense and there's only one 7 left. He'd certainly raise AQ, QQ or AA PF. Whatever...hopefully that doesn't happen.

River: I don't think we're any worse off than we were before. I don't see BB 3 betting AJs there unless initial PFR was a complete maniac. What MP has after he calls the river is an utter mystery to me. I can't imagine what he has....I really can't. I can't blame you for thinking about folding. However, I don't think MP plays a boat that way, and BB still can have AK and there are plenty combos of that out there. I call.

Thanks for nothing God.

BigEndian · #7 11-30-2005, 05:25 PM

MP2 almost certainly does not have a set. It looks clearly like an F-it-cap with a flush draw or 2-pair likewise. I think I would win/lose more money by popping it on the turn with a CR (or lead out if I'm feeling wimpy). The river sucks.

- Jim

W. Deranged · #8 11-30-2005, 05:45 PM

I'd like numbers on the CO, because, in my opinion, three-betting pre-flop should at least be considered. Your hand does not play that well out of position in a three or four way pot, but there is certainly enough in the pot already to make this hand worth fighting for...

#9 11-30-2005, 05:58 PM

flawless brings up an interesting point about the turn but I still dont think this is a CR. Villain has AQ,AA,QQ more than AK. I like the hand.

Ps. If villain wont 3-bet AQ out of the BB you should CR on the turn.

lil feller · #10 11-30-2005, 11:35 PM

C/O was 46/16. I thought about 3betting preflop, but was pretty sure MP2 was coming regardless. My initial plan was to call and see the flop, and then c/r or c/f the CO depending on how I liked it.

lf