J4o

private joker · #1 12-20-2005, 04:26 AM

15/30 at the HG. I sit down and post in the CO. It's folded to me, and I see the gorgeous J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I check my option.

Button folds, SB completes, and BB checks. Flop comes down 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB checks, BB bets.

Should I bother with this pot?

Read: obviously since I just sat down everyone is unknown; but the BB is a young Asian kid in a white hoodie with his chips stacked neatly and his hat tilted to the side. Stereotype says he also plays NL.

Ryno · #2 12-20-2005, 04:41 AM

What would be the minimum hand you raise with pf in your situation? I raise pretty much 100% of the time when folded to me in the CO as a poster.

You have position though so I'd raise the flop. You'll get a free card very often.

private joker · #3 12-20-2005, 04:48 AM

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What would be the minimum hand you raise with pf in your situation?

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I've always wondered about it, then realized there are more pressing concerns when Rick Nebiolo told me: "how many times per session do you post in the cutoff?" (relative to how many times you are in other situations that are worth thinking about in more detail).

I think I'm probably raising 76s+, 87o+, any pair, J8o+, maybe T7o but it would depend on who the blinds were. J4o is just way too trashy for me to bother putting more money into this pot in an attempt to blind-steal. Also, I don't know the button, and getting cold-called by him sucks maple bars.

jason_t · #4 12-20-2005, 04:48 AM

If this hand gets folded to me I'll not have looked at my cards yet but I'm throwing in four more chips.

private joker · #5 12-20-2005, 04:50 AM

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I'm throwing in three more chips.

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jason_t · #6 12-20-2005, 04:51 AM

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I'm throwing in three more chips.

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Nit.

To elaborate, I'll throw in four chips even though I know it's a three-chip game so the blinds think I'm overly excited with my hand and just fold. It's called giving off a tell. Learn it you noob.

Thanks for thinking outside the [censored] box!

elindauer · #7 12-20-2005, 06:45 AM

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If this hand gets folded to me I'll not have looked at my cards yet but I'm throwing in four more chips.

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Which means the button doesn't need to bother looking at his cards either before he 3-bets. Good luck with that.

I suspect this was a great play before HFAP popularized it. Live, sure, go ahead and raise. Online? You have to show a little more discretion. Too many people are aware of this bluff now.

-Eric

istewart · #8 12-20-2005, 06:52 AM

I'm pretty sure this hand is live [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

jason_t · #9 12-20-2005, 03:25 PM

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Which means the button doesn't need to bother looking at his cards either before he 3-bets. Good luck with that.

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Watch people when you're playing; most of them aren't paying attention to you.

elindauer · #10 12-20-2005, 05:58 PM

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I don't understand how the table's previous attention to my play makes a difference in my first decision at a new table. Either it's +EV given the way people handle this raise by default, or it isn't. I think it isn't.

istewart points out that this hand was played live though, so I don't have a problem with it there. I play almost entirely online and find that people are constantly making moves against this CO raise, as they should if you raise any 2.

-Eric