Eurobet 100/200 river value bet?

[ggbman]

He is the SB here, his hand range is very wide, and he must call my raise with any heart, and some of his hands that must call the turn would put in no more money on the river if they miss.

[mmcd]

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A3o only has 55% equity preflop v. a totally random hand. I am not sure he has an equity edge here. Raising might be good for other reason though.

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When a middle pair flops A high has significantly more equity than that.

[Mempho]

I would say it is both a value bet and a bluff...but what do i know?

[TStoneMBD]

partygirl was arguing against pog's thoughts that a preflop reraise would be good, which it of course isnt. he wasnt arguing over whether raising postflop was appropriate or not.

[James282]

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I would say it is both a value bet and a bluff...but what do i know?

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No better hand folds, for sure. That said, I don't see a lot of value in a river bet.
-James

[oreogod]

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The fact that you are considering A-high hands as a significant portion of his range on the river makes me believe you did not expect him to fold A-high to the turn raise. Or to a river continuation bluff.

So why raise?

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This assumption is garnered from information we got from raising, if he had 3 bet i would think he had ace high very often [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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wait, are u saying u put him on A-high if he 3bets u on the turn rather than just calls? Or did u meant to say wounldnt*?

[arkady]

there could be a lot of hands that he would want to call the turn with, but much fewer hands that he would call the river with.

[DcifrThs]

sometimes i raise the flop here.

other times i raise the turn.

yet other times i just call it down and let the villian hang himself...im happy to supply the rope.

turn raise is good though against most but not all people...the fact you cannot fold to the 3 bet makes it a bit worse, but the equity you have makes it a bit better...betting and raising with outs with one card to come has been disected to great length. here is a spot where i think its ok.

river is a check. i dont care if Ax called you here. you fold 0 better hands and if you are called you win far less than 50% fo the time.

Barron

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river is a check. i dont care if Ax called you here. you fold 0 better hands and if you are called you win far less than 50% fo the time.


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I'm shocked so few people have mentioned this. Betting seems very bad.

[Victor]

i normally just call down here.

are you really able to fold enough better hands often enough?