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#1
10-11-2005, 12:44 PM
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Your thoughts on this check-raise.
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Preflop raiser is passive. 39/10/0.6. Flop bettor/button is 64/0/2.5. Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>... 
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#3
10-11-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
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Goot. Lead the turn then check a river blank? [/ QUOTE ] I think villian is leading out with a draw given his aggressiveness postflop. I'd bet unless one is completed, then I'd c/c down. Nice raise. EDIT: Dependant on whether or not rest of the field folds out that is.
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#4
10-11-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
Unless you were planning to fold, I feel that this + lead the turn is the best line to take. The flush draw makes it a little more fragile, since you may get some overcards coming along even if the flush fails to materialize.
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#6
10-11-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
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think villian is leading out with a draw given his aggressiveness postflop. [/ QUOTE ] I think villian is leading out with any 2 cards given his aggressiveness postflop. If he's seeing 64% of the flops and betting nearly 75% of the time postflop (when it's likely he hits a pair or better 40% of the time), there's an excellent chance he has absolutely nothing, particularly when checked to on the button.
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#7
10-11-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
Had the bet come from UTG and the other two called, are you still raising?
If it gets checked through are you leading the turn?
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#8
10-11-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
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[ QUOTE ] think villian is leading out with a draw given his aggressiveness postflop. [/ QUOTE ] I think villian is leading out with any 2 cards given his aggressiveness postflop. If he's seeing 64% of the flops and betting nearly 75% of the time postflop (when it's likely he hits a pair or better 40% of the time), there's an excellent chance he has absolutely nothing, particularly when checked to on the button. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, 75%? How do you get that figure? I know that 2.5 is very aggressive, but how do you get that specifically? Not 100% sure how to interpret that number.
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#9
10-11-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
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Nice raise. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, I think this is good defense four handed. You won't fold flush draws but may fold overcards and gutshots. Not to hijack the thread, but what if the flop is: Hero checks, next bets, next calls, button calls, Hero ?? You'd just call in that case, right? Or is the raise more for value and less for protection than I am assuming? EDIT: oops, Vibesman asked the same question above whilst I was a postin'
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#10
10-11-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: Your thoughts on this check-raise.
1) It helps that the preflop raiser is passive. And that the button is aggressive postflop.
2) I hope to limit the field. If I am behind - at least I have a couple lame b/d draws to help out. 3) If the preflop raiser had gone ahead and bet it and there was a call ahead of me - I suck in those situations. ---------------------------------------------------------- Preflop raiser is passive. 39/10/0.6. Flop bettor/button is 64/0/2.5. Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, 1 fold. Flop: (9 SB) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero raises...UTG folds, MP2 folds, Button calls. Turn: (6.5 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero bets, Button calls. River: (8.5 BB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero bets... Am I only getting called by a better hand here? Is there any benefit in getting a draw to fold so I do not have to showdown?
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