The Dilemma

UOPokerPlayer · #1 12-11-2005, 01:04 AM

New to table, probably 3 orbits. Players are all in the 25-40/10-20 range. Unknown for the most part though.

All the calls here make it look pretty weak. No one is trying to blow out draws, so overpair/set doesn't seem as likely.

Who goes passive and takes the good odds and multiway pot calling the flop bet?

Who goes aggro, making the raise in hopes to take it down and falling back on a monster draw?

Explain your reasoning, I'll explain mine later.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

SB ($192.15)
BB ($73.60)
UTG ($402.61)
MP ($223.09)
Hero ($194.80)
Button ($45.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $5, Hero calls $5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $4, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $12, BB calls $12, MP calls $12, Hero raises to $50,

ahnuld · #2 12-11-2005, 01:12 AM

If I dont raise, I cant respect myself in the morning.

Lady Dont Tekno · #3 12-11-2005, 03:19 PM

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If I dont raise, I cant respect myself in the morning.

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Respect is all you'll have left in the morning.

#4 12-11-2005, 07:38 PM

If you just call down the flop and turn, and then hit your flush on the river, isn't your hand pretty apparent to any opponent?
If that happens, how much do you bet?
Will all in just fold everyone??
IMO there's far more "equity" or "betting value" in the hand if you play it aggressively from the flop on, and you may win it without ever hitting your hand.
Any other flush draw will NOT automatically assume that you were drawing to the flush, cuz "why was he betting so big on the flop then?"
Comments?

MTBlue · #5 12-12-2005, 12:30 AM

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If I dont raise, I cant respect myself in the morning.

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Respect is all you'll have left in the morning.

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BobboFitos · #6 12-11-2005, 01:41 AM

make it 65 on the flop, but this is standard and good.

Big_Jim · #7 12-11-2005, 01:57 AM

I think it's tempting to raise here... but I think that the pot is small enough that it doesn't matter so much to take it down.

Call. The times you stack someone else who is flushing will more than make up for it.

Bosox · #8 12-11-2005, 09:43 AM

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I think it's tempting to raise here... but I think that the pot is small enough that it doesn't matter so much to take it down.

Call. The times you stack someone else who is flushing will more than make up for it.

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How about just low-raising or min-raising? You build your pot since other flushes have to call and you can check for a free card on the turn (if it's a blank) if you don't think you can steal the pot with a bet. With the more money in on the turn you're probably more likely to stack a lower flush if it hits.

Big_Jim · #9 12-11-2005, 09:56 PM

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How about just low-raising or min-raising?

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I don't wanna give any set or straight the chance to blow out the other flush draws.

Woolygimp · #10 12-11-2005, 03:04 PM

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I think it's tempting to raise here... but I think that the pot is small enough that it doesn't matter so much to take it down.

Call. The times you stack someone else who is flushing will more than make up for it.

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/agree

If someone does have a set/overpair/twopair and puts you all-in on the flop your in a tricky position (It'd be an easy call, just not a call i'd like to make). You don't want to push out worse FD's and the pots not large enough to want an immediate take down. If i used a raise here for anything it'd be to get a free river.