What's With This DERB?

[mmcd]

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I want to add to this, but non-sarcastically.

I am suspecting that the aura of DERB is becoming more impressive than the real thing as these threads continue to grow.

Before stories of his winrate become too exaggerated, can people who have significant numbers of hands with him get together, merge databases and actually come up with his winrate over as many hands as possible?

-v

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Rosamunda ("luckbox" in old 30/60 games)--->Lojka---> Brizgiac

thats one very long, very sustained string of luck.

Barron

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Damn, I forgot about Rosamunda. If enough people still have old databases, it would probably be possible to compile 250k hands on DERB. BTW, did you ever really get into doing an analysis on the 80k Lojzka hands after the original thread?

[DcifrThs]

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I want to add to this, but non-sarcastically.

I am suspecting that the aura of DERB is becoming more impressive than the real thing as these threads continue to grow.

Before stories of his winrate become too exaggerated, can people who have significant numbers of hands with him get together, merge databases and actually come up with his winrate over as many hands as possible?

-v

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Rosamunda ("luckbox" in old 30/60 games)--->Lojka---> Brizgiac

thats one very long, very sustained string of luck.

Barron

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Damn, I forgot about Rosamunda. If enough people still have old databases, it would probably be possible to compile 250k hands on DERB. BTW, did you ever really get into doing an analysis on the 80k Lojzka hands after the original thread?

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all i had was a notes file. so the analysis ended up being a regression similar to ZeeJustin's...then i just looked at the st.dev on some stats with respect to win rate and found out, lo and behold, lojka was WAYY out of the mass of the distribution. shocker...

Barron

[fnord_too]

In the billions of posts on DERB, I'm not sure anyone has talked about the number of small pots DERB wins. AFAIK I have never played against him, and I play mainly other games right now, but Schneids once wrote something that has stuck with me (correct me if I get the wrong Schneids, it's been a long time since I read the thread I am talking about):

Scneids said (this was for the 10/20 sh game, I think, which was the biggest sh game with a decent number of tables on party at the time) that he called down really light quite often. One of his reasons was that this allowed him to pick up a lot of small pots on the flop and turn by betting, because people without decent hands would just give up if they missed since they 'knew' Schneids wasn't going anywhere. Extra action on big hands is great, but having people without solid values get out of small pots is pretty damn nice to.

Sorry if this point has alread been discussed ad nauseum, I don't recall seeing much about the little pots he picks up without a showdown, and honestly, I don't know if he has an appreciable number of these. Maybe someone with data can give a breakdown of his street by street numbers as it relates to hands won/folded and total amounts won/lost.

[Lestat]

Well put. I very much agree with this. If losers can win for a long time, so can small winners win more than they should for a long time and any other combination in between.

[flub]

Here are the stats I have on him since July 5th which is after the first post started so doesn't suffer from selection bias. I have 52k hands since then.

Limits 30/60 50/100 and 100/200
VPIP: 27.00
PFR: 17.22
BB/100: 1.92
W$WSF: 42.44
SD/100: 19.25 BB's

I'll also point out that chip dumping would easily be seen under the Misc. Stats "Opponents - $ won from/lost to" screen, and no chip dumping is present.

As a side note 9,300 of those hands were at 100/200 and he lost 43k there or 2.34 BB/100. His VPIP was 24.68 and PFR was 15.67.

-flub

[Tommy Angelo]

"There are players who appear to play fewer hands than they should, but win because they bet their hands well and force their opponents to guess what they are doing."

FYQ

[DrSavage]

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Rosamunda ("luckbox" in old 30/60 games)--->Lojka---> Brizgiac


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Oh, Rosamunda is also him? I remember the guy from party 15-30 games years ago when they were the biggest game around, too bad my database from back then died in a hard drive crash [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[mmcd]

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Here are the stats I have on him since July 5th which is after the first post started so doesn't suffer from selection bias. I have 52k hands since then.

Limits 30/60 50/100 and 100/200
VPIP: 27.00
PFR: 17.22
BB/100: 1.92
W$WSF: 42.44
SD/100: 19.25 BB's

I'll also point out that chip dumping would easily be seen under the Misc. Stats "Opponents - $ won from/lost to" screen, and no chip dumping is present.

As a side note 9,300 of those hands were at 100/200 and he lost 43k there or 2.34 BB/100. His VPIP was 24.68 and PFR was 15.67.

-flub

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Can you seperate his bb/100 by limit (and include # of hands for each)?

Hi Barron,

I used to play the old Party 15-30, and I remember 4 people from Ljubljana: Lojzka, Presta, Rosamunda, and SklanskySucks. (I know I messed up the spelling on at least one of those)

Is location the criteria you are using to decide that Rosamunda and Lojzka are the same person? Or did you actually get confirmation from the player himself that they are the same person?

Whether or not this person or this aggregate of people from Ljubljana are huge winners, it would be nice to actually have concrete facts supporting the hypothesis by collecting several hundred thousand different hands on the player(s). After 80k hands, even with typical SDs, you can be more than 1.5BB off your true winrate 5% of the time.

-v

[mmcd]

My data on Rosamunda is long gone, but the stats would very probably be enough to tell. It was fairly easy to spot DERB when he went from Lojzka>Brizganc. There just aren't any other 30/17/2's from Ljubljana on Party.