Fold the flop here?

#1 08-17-2005, 09:43 PM

What would you have done here and why?

MP1 is a TAG (18/10/2.2). MP3 is a loose, semi-aggressive player (29/7/1.8). MP2 is a calling station (30/4/1.2).

(I happen to think this hand is very instructive, and will explain why later)

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.33 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (9.33 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 9.33 BB

chief444 · #2 08-17-2005, 09:48 PM

Yeah. Pretty easy fold.

#3 08-17-2005, 09:48 PM

Why?

#4 08-17-2005, 09:49 PM

Anyone fold this preflop?

baronzeus · #5 08-17-2005, 09:51 PM

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Anyone fold this preflop?

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Me.

And you fold the flop because it's unlikely you have the best hand and you don't have the odds to draw.

chief444 · #6 08-17-2005, 09:52 PM

Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

#7 08-17-2005, 09:55 PM

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Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

chief444 · #8 08-17-2005, 09:56 PM

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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OK. If you say so.

#9 08-17-2005, 09:58 PM

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Because you're probably beat. And if you by chance are good you're going to get drawn out on quite a bit.

I don't like calling this preflop either.

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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I guess this will be the instructive part of the hand. Why?

#10 08-17-2005, 10:00 PM

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It is an error to fold this preflop.

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OK. If you say so.

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You are getting 7.5-1 on your call preflop here. Folding Q9 would be an error. A clear error.

Remember, there is not the risk of domination with Q9 as with hands like KJ, A-10, etc. in this spot.