Decision to call 3 allins with 1/4 my stack with pocket 9's

#1 10-06-2005, 02:57 PM

Hi, I was at the final table with 6 players of a 3 table $10 buyin sitngo on Stars, and I had pocket 9's in early position, I raised preflop and one person raised all in, and 2 more called all in for about 1/4 of my stack, I'm wondering whether I should dump my 9's or hold them here.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t1160)
UTG (t2475)
Hero (t5980)
CO (t4010)
Button (t1895)
SB (t2800)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, Button raises to t1895, SB calls t1795, BB calls t960 (All-In), Hero calls t1495.

Flop: (t6845) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t6845) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, SB raises to t905, Hero calls t505.

River: (t8655) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t8655
Main Pot: t4640 (t4640), between BB, Hero, Button and SB.
Pot 2: t4015 (t4015), between Hero, Button and SB.

#2 10-06-2005, 03:02 PM

Oh, and I put my 3 opponents on one with a lower pocket pair, and between the other two players, they had three overcards to my 9's, so I figured I had good pot equity.

0evg0 · #3 10-06-2005, 03:04 PM

Raise 3-4xbb preflop (that way you can get away from CO or SB big stacks if they push, but make a harder decision for others to put their chips in).

Fold to preflop reraise (smooth-call for 2/3 of stack by SB).

The 3 hands are probably AJ+ for button, QQ+ for SB, QJs or something for BB.

In other words, around 6 overcards.

pryor15 · #4 10-06-2005, 03:06 PM

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Oh, and I put my 3 opponents on one with a lower pocket pair, and between the other two players, they had three overcards to my 9's, so I figured I had good pot equity.

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depending on the quality of your opponents, i'd be surprised if at least one of them didn't have an overpair.

zoobird · #5 10-06-2005, 03:07 PM

In early position with 99, you should raise more so you don't have to play a multi-way pot. Given what happened after your small raise, you should fold pre-flop. With an A on the flop, its likely you're behind on the turn...so why make a tiny bet that's not going to scare anyone away?

schwza · #6 10-06-2005, 03:07 PM

this is a pretty clear fold. if the button had pushed and everyone had folded, it would be a close decision whether you should call or fold, but you'd call. the SB's coming in after a raise and a push indicates a very strong hand, and the BB should also have a lot of strength to call there. you'd be very lucky to be up against an underpair and three overcards - it's a lot more likely you're looking at an overpair.

welcome to the forums.

Dave D · #7 10-06-2005, 03:10 PM

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Hi, I was at the final table with 6 players of a 3 table $10 buyin sitngo on Stars, and I had pocket 9's in early position, I raised preflop and one person raised all in, and 2 more called all in for about 1/4 of my stack, I'm wondering whether I should dump my 9's or hold them here.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t1160)
UTG (t2475)
Hero (t5980)
CO (t4010)
Button (t1895)
SB (t2800)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, Button raises to t1895, SB calls t1795, BB calls t960 (All-In), Hero calls t1495.

Flop: (t6845) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t6845) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, SB raises to t905, Hero calls t505.

River: (t8655) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t8655
Main Pot: t4640 (t4640), between BB, Hero, Button and SB.
Pot 2: t4015 (t4015), between Hero, Button and SB.
 

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Easy. Fold.

At least one of them is dominating you. You can wait. Especially b/c at least one person is getting knocked out here.

Oh yeah, never raise the minimum, especially when you're first in. That's terrible.

#8 10-06-2005, 03:58 PM

Yeah, the button ended up having qq, small blind had aj, and big blind had a10

locutus2002 · #9 10-06-2005, 04:41 PM

Hero folds.

You have 27XBB left and several players are going out.
I don't think you're going to like the 9s here. I don't think you can reasonable expect to have the best hand.

fnurt · #10 10-06-2005, 04:53 PM

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Oh, and I put my 3 opponents on one with a lower pocket pair, and between the other two players, they had three overcards to my 9's, so I figured I had good pot equity.

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Why don't you just put them on 22, 33, and 44, to make the decision really easy?

There is no way you can look at an all-in bet and know that it means a low pair or a medium pair or two high cards. And "putting someone on a hand" does not mean that if someone has a 60% chance of holding a pair and a 40% chance of holding two big cards, that you figure "he probably has a pair."

The question here is: what percentage of the time will one of your opponents have a pair higher than 99? It's not a question of whether they "probably" do or don't, it's a question of quantifying the percentage. When they don't have a higher pair, it's usually a fairly reasonable call. When they do, it's awful. So you have to assign some percentages and figure out whether you rate to be +EV or -EV overall, rather than just guessing a particular scenario and going with it.