Prima 25-50 NL Hand #2: Folding QQ on an all-unders flop? - Page 2

bugstud · #11 03-10-2005, 09:22 PM

I guess the question is the raiser's opening standards. If he's not opening without premium hands, then your play seems fine. If he'll open AQs, AJs, and medium pairs like this, then you may want to go for either of the other two lines suggested.

neon · #12 03-10-2005, 09:35 PM

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I guess the question is the raiser's opening standards. If he's not opening without premium hands, then your play seems fine. If he'll open AQs, AJs, and medium pairs like this, then you may want to go for either of the other two lines suggested.

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Let's assume that:

a) Villain will not raise from EP with hands worse than AK or 1010.

b) Villain is capable of firing w/ 1010 here, and maybe AK (obviously more likely if AK [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

turnipmonster · #13 03-10-2005, 10:23 PM

I don't like this plan if he will frequently check hands that crush us.

wins_pot · #14 03-11-2005, 01:32 AM

You folded QQ???
-- you should have raised the pot pre-flop.
---failing that, bet out the pot on the flop.
----by checking you put yourself in a bad spot...
-that said, you still don't lay down to a bet. call the flop, if the turn is benign, put him effectively all-in.

brandon78

Chris Daddy Cool · #15 03-11-2005, 02:07 AM

i think the only part you got right is betting out on the flop. going all in on the turn would be stupid imo.

NLfool · #16 03-11-2005, 02:23 AM

I also think you should reraise preflop to like ~$650 because the player who cold called and is stuck between the both of you will likely make the original raiser play it faster if he does have a big pair.

Players with KK, AA won't be as likely to flat call your reraise with another palyer or two around so I think you'll get better idea sooner by reraising.

BTW are you neon tetra? You were tearing it up, last I played with you but that was at least a year ago before prima locked my account and kept my money.

P.S. My input is very rusty as I got burned out and play about once a month so I'd probably do the opposite of what I said

sdplayerb · #17 03-11-2005, 03:14 PM

I think your fold is fine.
1. What do you have beat? Even JJ could bet here due to the draws out there.
2. I don't really see him betting into so many people with AK here, unless it is the nutflush draw.

Otherwise I flat call.
I do like the flat call preflop. I used to reraise in such situations, but per SS2 (probably was in the original), Brunson talks about flat calling in similar situations.
He has shown a lot of strength twice now, tough to figure out many hands you have beat per where he raised from and his action now with so many people in the pot.

SD

sdplayerb · #18 03-11-2005, 03:23 PM

with the caller in between and the limper (who you do have to be worried limped with AA or KK somewhat), you would need to raise to around 1,200.
Now if he reraises you allin, you have to muck and are out $1,200 without seeing a flop. And if called, if there is an overcard you have to be scared, if something like JT, you have to be scared.

By flat calling you get to see the flop texture, his action (you do have position), and a shot to break him if a Q flops and he has AA or KK.

SD