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Old 03-04-2005, 04:14 PM
ActionD ActionD is offline
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Default AK vs TT

I've been sitting at the 235 NL table at a casino for about 6 hours. I know how all the players play and have a somewhat tight (occasionally advertising loose plays) aggressive table image. A very tight aggressive unimaginable player raises from UTG +1 to $40 and I look down at Ad Kc in the SB and make it $100 to go. Blinds fold and he calls. Pot=207.
Flop: Jc 8c 3c I check forgetting whether I had a club or not, my opponent looks back at his whole cards and moves allin for $280. I look down to see the King of clubs and I figure that if my opponent has QQ or TT I'm a coinflip, if he has an unlikely KK AA or JJ then I'm a little bit worse. I think for a decent time and put him on what he had QQ or TT and I figure that means I'm actually ahead in the hand, just barely. So I call getting 280 to 487 odds on my coinflip. Turn and river come blanks and he turns over TT no clubs and takes it down.
Did I make the right play? I should have probably gone allin on the flop figuring to increase my chances of taking it down right there, but I don't like looking at my whole cards twice... I just hate losing $400 with an Ace high hand. Comments would be greatly appreciated, especially on the fact that he could have had a hand which murdered mine like AcAh or something.
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Old 03-04-2005, 04:49 PM
phil_ivey_fan phil_ivey_fan is offline
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Default Re: AK vs TT

you were a slight favorite. it is never wrong to get your money in as the favorite. just say nice hand, and rebuy.

for what its worth, a good player would have laid down TT for $60 more into about a $150 pot with yalls short stack sizes.

nice call
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Old 03-04-2005, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: AK vs TT

why are you raising out of the SB with AKo against someone you see as very tight, if you want to play a big pot here i think calling pre and then check raising all in gives you the best fold equity as if he pots it he still has 200 behind him and should fold.
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Old 03-04-2005, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: AK vs TT

Don't reraise someone you view as extremely tight from the SB with AKo when he raises from EP. Big mistake.

Given how you played it preflop, open push that flop. And yes, look at your cards first to make sure you have that big club. Most reasonable players would lay down TT no club there facing an open push from a preflop reraiser.

I don't like the play on either street.
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:08 PM
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Thanks for your guys advice. It wasnt that I was shortstacked, I had 1400 in front of me. But I did play it wrong, the check raise allin or at least moving in myself on the flop would have been the best thing to do. But my reraise preflop I believe was correct because it put me as the aggressive player, and I was confident enough that he didnt have AA or KK based on how he had played those hands from early (limping mainly). So the big mistake was not moving in, but i was a very slight favorite, so maybe i should want him to get all of his money in there right... If i move in on the flop he folds for sure. I got all the money in when i had the percentage... not that im always looking for only a 1 percent edge.
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:08 AM
flawless_victory flawless_victory is offline
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Default Re: AK vs TT

preflop is a fold or a call or a monster raise situation (VERY read dependent). def dont make that tiny raise OOP (it is a HORRIBLE play). push in on that flop and hope he mucks TT. remember what cards you have. if you forgot... LOOK. your flop call is ok, but it sucks that you sacrificed all your folding equity on both streets. seriously, if this guy is tight and unimaginative hes laying down his hand if you move in PF or on the flop.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: AK vs TT

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=808219
pokenum -h th td - ad kc / jc 8c 3c
Holdem Hi: 1221759 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Td Th 680704 55.72 535859 43.86 5196 0.43 0.559
Kc Ad 535859 43.86 680704 55.72 5196 0.43 0.441

you are in fact the underdog

but let's say in the scenario that you're a slight favorite, say 55-45

when there's 200 in the pot already, and it's even money if you get it all in there, you want him to fold without a doubt.

think about it, it's +200 right there if he folds. if it's all in say with a 55-45 favorite, that means the total pot will be around 560+200 = 760, and 55% of that is 418. that means you come out ahead 418-280=138 when you win by calling.

in essence, fold equity is very crucial here when there is dead money in the pot and it's an even money situation.
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Old 03-05-2005, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: AK vs TT

You actually put the J 8 3 of clubs in dead cards I believe, I'm getting 51.8 % .
About that Reraise preflop though, I usually only make a reraise (usually larger than that) with aces or kings, so if I had moved in the flop he most likely would have folded assuming I did have the overpair. Im just trying to justify that Raise even though its clear in most cases it was a stupid move.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: AK vs TT

whoops, my bad. yea 51.8% favorite. you still want to follow through on that flop tho to take it down.
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