NL50 AA facing all in on the river

#1 12-10-2005, 06:15 PM

Villain was 33.5/9.2/1.75 after 170 odd hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($69.27)
CO ($59.70)
Button ($45.89)
SB ($47.70)
BB ($27.21)
UTG [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]villain)($73.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG :#A500AF(villain)/ raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, Button calls $5, 2 folds, UTG :#A500AF(villain)/ calls $3.

Flop: ($15.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $15, Button folds, villain calls $15.

Turn: ($45.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
villain checks, Hero checks.

River: ($45.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
villain calls $53.45 (All-In), Hero??

GrunchCan · #2 12-10-2005, 06:19 PM

Why did you check the turn? I think the answer to your dilema lies there. If you checked in order to induce action from your opponent, you must call. If you checked becasue you were afraid of the flush, you must fold.

Personally, I somehow doubt one-pair is going to take this pot down. But I probably (mistakenly) call anyway, becasue I'm suspicious of that bet. That's a weak spot in my game.

#3 12-11-2005, 06:14 AM

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Why did you check the turn? I think the answer to your dilema lies there. If you checked in order to induce action from your opponent, you must call. If you checked becasue you were afraid of the flush, you must fold.

Personally, I somehow doubt one-pair is going to take this pot down. But I probably (mistakenly) call anyway, becasue I'm suspicious of that bet. That's a weak spot in my game.

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At the time I was suspicios of the flush, and thought I would take the free card to the nut flush draw. However I'm not sure this was optimal, and in hindsight was wondering whether I should have pushed the turn. After the turn I was probably quite happy to check the hand down, but given his all in that ceased to be an option [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

However, had he really had the flush I think he would have bet less on the river, the bet makes me suspicios. On the other hand I suppose it was in reality just a pot sized bet.
What do anyone else do?

#4 12-11-2005, 09:11 AM

I would bet 15-20 on the turn. If he re-raised, I would fold. If he called the turn, and checked the river, I would check(or go allin). If he called, and raised the river, I would fold.

Btw. I would fold the river in your situation.

#5 12-11-2005, 10:28 AM

I would have bet the turn.

Fold river. Given that bet into that pot I think he's got either a slowplayed set or more likely Q10. Heck maybe he does have the flush too. But even though he could just have a Q I'd fold.

#6 12-12-2005, 07:19 AM

FWIW I called the bet. Immediately I clicked the call button I thought I was making a mistake. He showed AQ.

Good result for me, but not as a result of my play and I'm not happy with the way I played my hand. I think I should probably have pushed the turn and taken down the pot then just to avoid the kind of decison I made on the river, but of course I would then have missed out on the additional $40, and anything he did call the push with probably has me beat.

And with regards the bigger raise pre-folp, isnt that more than likely going to take the pot there and then? Dont I want action with aces? I know they arent infallible but isnt the idea to get heads up with one other opponent? A larger raise probably folds out AQs, AJs, A10s, hands I dominate. The only hands i would have thought call the bigger raise are other big pocket pairs, which while I accept it would be good to play against (and know i was playing against) may very well raise my reraise anyway. Glad to hear others thoughts on this, suspect I may be wrong but would like to know why.

#7 12-11-2005, 10:54 AM

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I would bet 15-20 on the turn. If he re-raised, I would fold.

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So you would put near 60% of your stack in the middle and then fold?

I push the turn. I dont like checking, and any bet commits you.

BTW, re-raise more preflop. Make it atleast $8.

theweatherman · #8 12-11-2005, 06:56 AM

raise more preflop, pot the flop, push the turn.

#9 12-11-2005, 07:11 AM

Raise more preflop.

I have a question about potting the flop: obviously we're making draws pay, but say villain flat calls - what information do we gain about his hand? We're creating a huge pot (to the point where villain's river push is basically a PSB) in which we're pretty much committed to pay him off with your stack if he has a set. Are we okay with that?

Not criticizing the play, just trying to understand it as well as its consequences when we're faced with this kind of river bet from villain.

wdeadwyler · #10 12-12-2005, 07:25 AM

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raise more preflop, pot the flop, push the turn.

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Whoa, you got one right xxxxx.

Edit: Do you mind if I use your real name on 2p2?

Edit of edit: Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like checking behind the turn, though I call any river bet accept maybe the queen pairing if I check behind.