($55) Aces full - a hand you don't see everyday

bluefeet · #1 10-31-2005, 04:35 PM

Very first hand of a $50+5

Seat 1: ( $1000 )
Seat 2: ( $1000 )
Seat 3: ( $1000 )
Seat 4: ( $1000 ) SB
bluefeet ( $1000 ) BB
Seat 6: ( $1000 )
Seat 7: ( $1000 )
Seat 8: ( $1000 )
Seat 9: ( $1000 )
Seat 10: ( $1000 )
Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bluefeet [ Td Th ]
5 folds
Seat 1 calls [15].
Seat 2 calls [15].
1 fold
Seat 4 calls [5].
bluefeet checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Ad, Ah ]
Seat 4 checks.
bluefeet bets [35].
1 fold
Seat 2 raises [100].
1 fold
bluefeet ???

1C5 · #2 10-31-2005, 04:37 PM

There is no way he has you beat here with that raise.

psyduck · #3 10-31-2005, 05:02 PM

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applejuicekid · #4 10-31-2005, 05:08 PM

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So would you guys push? I think thats the line I'd take.

bluefeet · #5 10-31-2005, 05:16 PM

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So would you guys push? I think thats the line I'd take.

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I reraised to t300, he called.
Turned "5", I push, he folds.

An Ace certainly isn't raising the flop.
A PP>TT is probably raising over the limper PF.

Figured a mid-PP might just push back on the flop - probably call. I was willing to give a couple "big cards" the wrong odds to chase the turn. Having come this far, a PP might just call the turn push.

handsome · #6 10-31-2005, 05:27 PM

It's either push or fold *edit* or reraising is good too. Calling sucks because:
1. This is NL and we're OOP.
2. There's no card that will help us improve on 4th street.
3. It gives a hand like KQ good value.

Pushing IMO is bad without any reads (which seems apparent, as it's the first hand) because no donk at the 55 level will call with a dominated hand like 33, but will call with a dominating hand like Ax/JJ+.

In conclusion: Save your chips for a better spot. Before reading Gigabet's posts I probably would have reraised.

1C5 · #7 10-31-2005, 05:35 PM

1st hand so no reads. So you fold here?

Terrible fold.

handsome · #8 10-31-2005, 05:38 PM

Yea, I fold. Staying in the hand is probably EV+ but I personally feel that my edge over other 55 players is great enough that I can fold this with no regrets.

Sometimes you should forego a EV+ situation for more EV+ situations in the future.

whodaman · #9 10-31-2005, 06:04 PM

not if you can just join another tourny with the same donks in it
you should take advatnage of all ev+ situations on the 1st hand of a 55 on party

runner4life7 · #10 10-31-2005, 06:14 PM

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You clearly do not understand what this statement means

"Sometimes you should forego a EV+ situation for more EV+ situations in the future."

Thats with regards to pushing with like a +.1% or something with ICM not folding when you have the best hand because you think you are better than them. This isnt a situation where he is like a 51% favorite I am willing to say most of the time he will be at least 80% fav here and you are not that much better to throw away stuff like this, in fact you are worse than you think if you do.