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Old 11-30-2005, 05:03 PM
Tilt Tilt is offline
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Default Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind

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For those of you who are advocating continuing to bulldoze on the turn with no pair and a couple non-nut flush draws, doesn't it seem wrong to you to be semi-bluffing into a player described as a loose passive player, i.e. a calling station? Especially since he likely puts the hero on a big pair and a draw only and now can not only bluff raise with impunity but also with a legitimate hand like a set/2 pair or a low straight? And what is your plan when the villain just smoothcalls and you have built that big pot with nothing out of position, and a red A or K comes on the river? Push your last money into a calling station and pray you don't get to look at aces up or two pair?

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It certainly crossed my mind when I posted originally. But why did the villain smoothcall the flop? Probably because he is weak. He is either drawing himself or hoping a marginal hand is good here. I find that firing a second bullet in a raised pot often does the trick. 80% of the time in a raised pot that flop call indicates weakness. Sometimes it means strength, which makes the next move tricky to navigate, but I don't think you can pass up the likely fold equity that you have on the turn here.
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Old 11-30-2005, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind

Jhall, what ended up happening?
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:43 AM
jhall23 jhall23 is offline
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Default Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind

I checked. Villian ended up betting 20 in ~30 pot. I c/r pot he moved in for my last 55 and I say crap and make the call.

I wiff on my 20 outs and villian scoops with the nut straight with 5c7cJc8s. So 5 of my outs were dead.

After checking out the hand afterward I was pretty sure I wasn't a big fan of how I played on the turn. At the time I was thinking since it was head's up and I had just made a continuation bet on the flop that villian would try and pick up the pot with some shaky holdings since I checked it to him. So I thought I still had some good fold equity on the turn. As I said, while so far he was passive he had shown no signs of being a calling station yet so I thought he would fold things like an overpair or two-pair here. And when he has a set, top-two (or three) or a straight I am usually pretty live unless he has a made hand with one of the higher flush draws.
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