2/4 Inside straight and flush draw - suggest a better line.

[yvesaint]

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A limped pot with 6 players and you're first to act. You've got a str8 draw that would be nice if the bottom end hit as then you'd make the nut str8. If the 9 hits then you've got the bottom end. With 5 other players limping I wouldn't discount the possibility of someone limping with JTs, or even J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. You've got a flush draw to the low end. Think one of the 5 limpers left to act might have a better flush draw?

I understand that you're a 3-2 favorite to hit your draw, and that's great, but I don't see anything (yet)to indicate that you'll be good if you hit. Sure you can c/r all-in. You can do that with any two. Your comments give me the impression that you're determined to take this pot down.......and I'm guessing you can too. From your description noone call your flop bet.

Unless.........they've seen you do this before. My first thought when I see this move is the player does not want any callers. But, if this is just an occasional move that they haven't seen I'd put you down for a good steal.

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wait, youre scared of JT if a 9 hits? scared of a better flush draw?

im not saying a c/r all-in is good, but you saying that you might as well c/r all-in with any 2 is RIDICULOUS. the point is that even if you are called, you have a lot of outs.

are you seriously only comfortable if you hit the nuts? come on man, thats weak-tight poker.

Tough spot. You probably thought you could take it right here, right? Or, as you said, 3 bet all-in? Yeah. Then things went all batty.

The problem with your play here is that your EV is so much better with a check-raise on the flop than a flat out push on the turn. This is because the player here with A8 may look you up and call. The CO may be calling with A7 and just hoping to come along for the ride, get lucky. I doubt that someone has a set, there would probably be a raise; but, that's not too remote a possibility either.

I would have checked the flop. If someone bets, then I'd push. I'd be getting great fold equity this way, great odds if there is a call. If I get two checks, then so be it. A flop bet is fine here, too, however; in fact I'd probably be doing this at least half the time because I get good fold equity and good implied odds depending on my turn. You just got two callers and a sucky turn.

I think a turn push would be fine against one player, two is just too risky on the turn. I think that checking the turn and hoping that the 7 hurt both opponents is the way to go. If one of them bets, however, you can just cold call for odds or then push depending on how strong you think the bet is.

Argun

[TheWorstPlayer]

betting the flop is what got you into this mess. check/call the flop.

Given that you got called by the short stacks I don't think your fold equity is high enough to bet the turn. I would just check and hope for a free card or cheap enough card

I knee-jerk reaction to flopping a straight+flush draw is to bet the flop with plans to 3-bet all in. But seeing as there are 6 players to the flop, and 4 still left to act, I am pondering a check/call instead. I definately don't like a checkraise all in, unless it's only against a short stack.

But yeah I'm torn between a bet-3bet and a check/call on the flop. I will do some soul searching...

[ryanghall]

The shorter stack called and he had T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] heh.

Some random heart came on the river so at least he didn't take it down with Ten high.

I really like the CR allin. Dunno why I didn't do this. This hand becomes MUCH tougher with 100x BB stacks because then CR allin isn't so cool.

Ryan