2 ace on flop hands

#1 11-02-2005, 12:38 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

River: (8 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP1 folds, SB calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, UTG checks.

River: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

i think all the players in both hands were fishes or gamblers, vp over 30, pfa around 1. should i have bothered betting the A rag with so many in the pot? and should i have called the raise? i figured i had some outs that were worth a small bet. when i had TT if anyone had the ace i was dead, i didn't see any reason to call but that of table image which i doubt counts so much at 5/10. how would have played these 2 monsters? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

newhizzle · #2 11-02-2005, 12:48 AM

any reads?

in hand 1 id probly call down

hand 2 is probly fine, but i think id call the flop and c/f the turn if i dont pick up a flush draw or something mostly for image reasons or if he might be raising for a free card like it appears he was in this hand

also consider cutting the action off at your fold, you will get better answers

ANY2CARDZ · #3 11-02-2005, 12:55 AM

In hand 1 I think a bets always good to see where your at. With a raise on this, board (no draws), I would be inclined to fold on the turn unimproved to someone with a pfaf of 1.

Hand two seems fine.

#4 11-02-2005, 01:17 AM

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any reads?

in hand 1 id probly call down

hand 2 is probly fine, but i think id call the flop and c/f the turn if i dont pick up a flush draw or something mostly for image reasons or if he might be raising for a free card like it appears he was in this hand

also consider cutting the action off at your fold, you will get better answers

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no reads but they were pretty weak passive. i think he was drawing too now but a weak player raised and another cold called with an ace on flop, i figured they couldn't both be drawing and one of them had to have it.and even if i do pick up a flush draw,i wouldn't call with T high with 2 other players in the pot when at least one of them seems to be drawing.

stillbr · #5 11-02-2005, 01:30 AM

Hand 1: You need to call this down. Bad fold. BTW I would usually try and check-raise the flop.

Hand 2: Your closing the action with a whole bunch of small bets in the pot. Peel one off. Decide from there.

#6 11-02-2005, 01:43 AM

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Hand 1: You need to call this down. Bad fold. BTW I would usually try and check-raise the flop.

Hand 2: Your closing the action with a whole bunch of small bets in the pot. Peel one off. Decide from there.

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call down with ace rag against a passive player raising and another one calling ? 2 more big bets? this is how i make money from them [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] raiser had A9 the other A2 by the way [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

stillbr · #7 11-02-2005, 02:00 AM

What they ended up having after the hand has nothing to do with what you should do at the time. I dont see anything where you said they were super passive.

"this is how i make money from them"

I really doubt your making much money

flopmonster · #8 11-02-2005, 02:15 AM

I like your line on both hands..I think calling down in hand #1 is a big mistake

#9 11-02-2005, 03:03 AM

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What they ended up having after the hand has nothing to do with what you should do at the time. I dont see anything where you said they were super passive.

"this is how i make money from them"

I really doubt your making much money

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i said "all the players in both hands were fishes or gamblers, vp over 30, pfa around 1" and "they were pretty weak passive". if you like calling 2 more big bets against 2 passive players with top pair kicker 5 i wish you good luck in making money in limit holdem at 5/10 on party. maybe it works in your 100/200 game where the check call is a good way to get the lag's money but i wouldn't know about this since 5/10 is the highest i've ever played. though i don't think it's too bad considering i had a 200$ bank and playing 0.5/1 2-3 months ago [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]