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Old 12-01-2004, 12:32 PM
mosch mosch is offline
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

Please see Ed Miller's fantastic post, about thin edges.
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Old 12-01-2004, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

Notice that Ed says, "The large majority of you guys will end up doing much better in the long run if you simply IGNORE THE WHOLE THING and make any play if you think it is +EV. Again, this recommendation is only for playing limit poker with a bankroll of several hundred bets."

PL and NL are different.
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Old 12-01-2004, 10:53 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

[ QUOTE ]
With top set you can never be drawing dead.


[/ QUOTE ]

Not exactly true. But close enough.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

you guys are absolute morons, of course you can be drawing dead with top set, happens all the time. This happened to me yesterday playing omaha, and I assume people see this all the time.


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=640019
pokenum -o as ah 8s 9s - kh kc ac tc - qh qd 2c 3c - jh jd 2d 3d - 7h 7d 7c 9d - 6h 6d 6c 6s - 9c qs ts td - 9h th 8h 8c - 5h 5d 4c 4s - 5c 5s 4h 4d - 2h 3h 2s 3s -- qc js 7s
Omaha Hi: 10 enumerated boards containing Js 7s Qc
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 9s 8s Ah 2 20.00 8 80.00 0 0.00 0.200
Ac Kc Tc Kh 3 30.00 6 60.00 1 10.00 0.350
3c 2c Qd Qh 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
Jd 3d 2d Jh 4 40.00 6 60.00 0 0.00 0.400
7c 9d 7d 7h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
6s 6c 6d 6h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
Qs Ts 9c Td 0 0.00 9 90.00 1 10.00 0.050
8c Th 9h 8h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
4s 4c 5d 5h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
5s 5c 4d 4h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
3s 2s 3h 2h 0 0.00 10 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
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Old 12-02-2004, 06:24 AM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

Lol. Yes, frequently, and easy to read when it happens too.
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Old 12-02-2004, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

helmuth talks about an actual hand in BBLD where the player with top set on the turn was drawing completely dead with the current nuts (5 or 6 handed i dont remember for sure). for what its worth i suppose this comes up a decent amount on say party poker too. although of course more interesting than something to actually concern yourself about in a gmae situation, but that one time ...... the sky is falling
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Old 12-02-2004, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

<font color="red"> </font> RARE, but not dumb.....(well, depending on the player) each situation requires individual action...so whos to say fer sure.. <font color="red"> </font>
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Old 12-02-2004, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

Me. I say for sure. Folding top set which is the current nuts on the flop is dumb.
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Old 12-02-2004, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??

Nicky, let this one lie. If people want to pass top set on the flop, let them. This is starting to remind me of my infamous pass A2 in plo8b thread :-)

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Old 12-03-2004, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: flopping the nuts and folding??


As a general rule its bad advice. There are certain situations you can construct where a fold would be correct –specifically, where good tight players bets with middle set, another player raises hard with a monster wrap. Then the monster wrap can be a big favorite to you since some of your outs are gone and the pot/implied odds are bad enough for you.

But in general your opponents range of hands will be wide enough and the pot/implied odds good enough that it will make sense to at least call and hope for a blank turn, when you will be a favorite over the wrap.

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