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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
Screw this call then bet the turn stuff. Way too many scare cards can come off that cost you turn action. Get the 4th bet in now and lead.
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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Screw this call then bet the turn stuff. Way too many scare cards can come off that cost you turn action. Get the 4th bet in now and lead. [/ QUOTE ] Eh, I only think you're losing bets about ~20% of the time online (18% FD + 3ish aces). A 4-bet+lead would work against more aggressive opposition so I def. don't mind it but I find myself getting raised on the turn a lot less when I cap the flop. Realistically he isn't putting us on A4s either way though. Rob |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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Screw this call then bet the turn stuff. Way too many scare cards can come off that cost you turn action. Get the 4th bet in now and lead. [/ QUOTE ] I think a cap/lead is more likely to kill the action than the probability of 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s and 3 A or K possible overcards to his pair hitting are. So something like 25% of the time our action might be killed by the turn card. Only if he's on the LAG side of TAG would I cap/lead. |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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[ QUOTE ] Screw this call then bet the turn stuff. Way too many scare cards can come off that cost you turn action. Get the 4th bet in now and lead. [/ QUOTE ] I think a cap/lead is more likely to kill the action than the probability of 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s and 3 A or K possible overcards to his pair hitting are. So something like 25% of the time our action might be killed by the turn card. Only if he's on the LAG side of TAG would I cap/lead. [/ QUOTE ] The thing is that since everyone is advocating call/lead rather than call/checkraise, it should be obvious that the 4-bet lead line is vastly superior. Especially on a board that drawy, our opponent isn't folding anything to that line. The only justification for call/leading is if you think he'll raise the turn with an overpair, letting us 3-bet, but that doesn't seem to be part of the thought process here. |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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The only justification for call/leading is if you think he'll raise the turn with an overpair, letting us 3-bet, but that doesn't seem to be part of the thought process here. [/ QUOTE ] The only reason I call/lead rather than 4-bet lead is because I think you're getting raised on the turn a lot more often with a call-lead. Should have made that more clear in my original post. Rob |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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[ QUOTE ] The only justification for call/leading is if you think he'll raise the turn with an overpair, letting us 3-bet, but that doesn't seem to be part of the thought process here. [/ QUOTE ] The only reason I call/lead rather than 4-bet lead is because I think you're getting raised on the turn a lot more often with a call-lead. Should have made that more clear in my original post. Rob [/ QUOTE ] But even then, I'm assuming this good hand reader is folding, right? So from the posted decision point on, we still only collect 2BBs vs a far more likely 2.5. Also, there will be times when we are getting 3-bet by the TAG when he/she has overs like AdKs and that 4th bet on the flop becomes pure gravy. You'd have to be reasonably certain that they'd rarely 3-bet the flop with overs (I can't imagine that this qualifier is met), that they'll raise the turn when they don't (and lots of scare cards will stop this even if it is their intention), and that they'll pay you off when you 3-bet (I'm guessing this is less than half the time). I don't see how that line is preferalbe to 4-betting now on what looks like a very drawy board and steaming it through. You may *still* get raised on the turn, or (if the site allows it) 5-bet on the flop. Get the money in now. |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
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Screw this call then bet the turn stuff. Way too many scare cards can come off that cost you turn action. Get the 4th bet in now and lead. [/ QUOTE ] I could not agree more with this statement, if any A,4 or diamond hits the turn or an overcard to the villains pocket pair, the hero will wish he wouldve capped the flop since the villain will be very unlikely to raise the turn. The hero induced extra action from the card reader by checkraising the flop. The hero should cash in on his deceptive play right now on the flop by capping. |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
Whatever you do, DO NOT CHECK THE TURN.
I think calling and betting and capping are both reasonable lines. I prefer capping because there is no chance at all that UTG+2 is folding on the turn to a cap and lead, while there is still a chance that he raises the turn. I think the ability to bet/3bet the turn is not so different between calling and capping the flop that calling makes up the missed SB. |
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
I hate checking the turn and he's unlikely to fold the turn but I think you're lucky if he raises the turn half of the time regardless of which line you choose so I'd just get an extra .5 SB now.
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Re: Countering a Good Hand Reader
The turn came the 4 of clubs. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
I did just call the flop 3 bet, and then wish I hadn't. I bet the turn, and he just called down with JJ after another rag hit the river. |
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