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Old 08-24-2005, 02:44 AM
Burdzthewurd Burdzthewurd is offline
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Default Naked A to flush on the river

PLO50 on Bodog, HU

I have $97, Villain has $48. Villain is passive with overpairs, minraises with the nuts, rarely slowplays anything, hasn't been chasing non-nut draws, can fold marginal hands.

, Villains limps, I raise to $1.50 with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain calls,

Flop is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Not too shabby, I bet $3, Villain calls

Turn 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet $9, Villain calls

River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Now what?
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Old 08-24-2005, 06:01 AM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

Based on your read of the player, he's not drawing purely to the flush, so I guess all I'd be worried about is if he had a draw to a higher straight and his hand also contained a couple of low/medium clubs. Might he have raised on the flop with such a hand?

If he was drawing to a higher straight or a full house, then he's missed, and is unlikely to call again. If he has a flush, then he'll probably call any bet you make.

Is he capable of bluffing if you check?

I think I check-call. I don't think it's worth betting since I don't think he'll call with anything that you can beat, unless he's seen you bluff here before, or bet out with, say, two-pair and he has a set. Calling any bet he might make depends on whether you think he's capable of bluffing in this situation.

I guess betting out is only worthwhile if you think he'll lay down a non-nut flush. Personally, I don't think he would.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

I'd also lead out for a pot sized bet, fold to a raise. It's possible that opponent 66xx or 45xx with a low club flush, and will lay down the winning hand. I wouldn't expect him to fold the 2nd nut Q high flush, but he might lay down a hand like 4c5s9c9s.
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Old 08-24-2005, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

With your descs of the opponent and the fact that u have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] i lead out with a pot bet. If the stacks was deeper it might go for a check-raise.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

Filip...what hand do you put the opponent on?
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

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Filip...what hand do you put the opponent on?

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A weak flush maybe, probably 2 pair or a set.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

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With your descs of the opponent and the fact that u have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] i lead out with a pot bet. If the stacks was deeper it might go for a check-raise.

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Suicidal. You presume that he'll fold the non-nut flush. In a HU battle thats asking a lot.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

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With your descs of the opponent and the fact that u have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] i lead out with a pot bet. If the stacks was deeper it might go for a check-raise.

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Suicidal. You presume that he'll fold the non-nut flush. In a HU battle thats asking a lot.

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... hasn't been chasing non-nut draws, can fold marginal hands.

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I think there is good chance he will fold a medicore flush. He also might call with a set.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

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I think there is good chance he will fold a medicore flush. He also might call with a set.

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????

If he cant fold a set here, why is he going to fold a K high flush?

If you pot the river your bluff has to get him to fold the flush 50% of the time to be worthwhile. If you checkraise the bluff is going to be very expensive. And if he has a set and doesnt buy that you have a better hand, you are going to be in a very difficult situation when he reraises you.

If you check-call you can get an affordable showdown, and you can induce and pickoff bluffs as often as you pay off the flush IMO.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Naked A to flush on the river

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I think there is good chance he will fold a medicore flush. He also might call with a set.

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????

If he cant fold a set here, why is he going to fold a K high flush?

If you pot the river your bluff has to get him to fold the flush 50% of the time to be worthwhile. If you checkraise the bluff is going to be very expensive. And if he has a set and doesnt buy that you have a better hand, you are going to be in a very difficult situation when he reraises you.

If you check-call you can get an affordable showdown, and you can induce and pickoff bluffs as often as you pay off the flush IMO.

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I think you need to check the stack sizes, if i am not totaly of he got like pot+$1 left on the river.

So check-raise is out, and why do i wanna check/call when i can bet out the same amount since he cant raise me.
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