Stream and Sara in pot building frenzy

[lstream]

So seat 2 is our very own and well respected vintage_sara. Last time I posted a hand with her in it I called her evil which was not nice at all. Comments on all streets welcome - I figured I had the odds to be pushing this hand hard. Thoughts? Remaining villain is an OK player.

7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___folds

4th Street - (7.50 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

5th Street - (9.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (12.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (15.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___raises
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___folds

Total pot: (19.75 BB)

[bigredlemon]

No raise on river?
Looks like she was drawing to a flush that got there on the river, and I think your K flush is probably good.

Also, how come no raise on 5th? You just might buy a free card and convince everyone that you're not drawing to a flush. If you act first next round, there's a good chance your hand is best so having to bet out wouldn't be bad either. Or would the 5th raise be too manical??

[RayGarlington]

your title is misleading, because Sara is just watching you two pot builders. I think she has the Ad (and maybe the Kd too).

[jon_1van]

Because seat 2 is sara you have to take a dramatically different line on this hand.

When sara cold calls 8 on 3rd she has 2 hands, A 3 flush with an overcard to the Q, or rolled 9s. I really think she raises with pocket KK,AA,and probably JJ. I'm not worried about pocket QQ because there is a dead Queen.

So, when you 4th rolls around I don't think you are in a "great" spot. You aren't in a bad spot yet.

Because I think I'm against 999 or an equal(or better) 4 flush I think the proper play is to call on 4th. But I very well could throw in a raise as an "auto-pilot" play.

Now, when you catch a 9 on fifth I think you can put sara in an ironclad "4-flush" box.

When you get raised on the river I think you are probably beat. I think this because I think sara NEEDS a K or A to call 3rd. So when she hits her flush she probably has a better K flush than you or her A flush just beats you outright.

Because this is sara I'm quite sure you lost this hand. There is obviously enough money in the pot to justify a call in case your K high flush does happen to be best.

Even if you went ape and 3-bet 7th I don't think you get capped on.

[Michael Emery]

Hey Stream-

No need to raise third, however, I would raise on fifth. Sara or not you're kinda stuck paying off the river here. I hope she raised you with a lower flush.

Mike Emery

[vintage_sara]

Now why would you wish that Mike? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[lstream]

I think Jon was quickest to the correct conclusion here. Sara won the hand with an ace high flush. I think she started with Ad and 5d.

[vintage_sara]

I remember this hand well because I limped and i wasn't fond of calling almost two bets cold on third street. I was thinking jeesh, there is one diamond out but my ace could still be live. Okay lets go for it.

I was relieved when lstream didn't reraise third, making me feel more likely that my ace was live as he would have rereaised with pocket aces or kings.

Then, I get to the four flush on the next street. Yipee! Odds to the river, unless the board gets really crappy. I decide to then just call on fourth because I want to bring lstream into the pot and not isolate. Not really sure if he has jacks, which he might just fold if I raise at this point. But now, Lstream raises and think hmmm...(he must have a four flush - lets just hope it's not ace high with a better kicker.) Then the other guy raises.

Well rather than capping it here, I decide to call for deception. If Istream does in fact have the four flush, he is going to cap it for me and I get the value I need as the money favorite on fourth if ace high is the best draw. And the other guy has a loan pair. Also, he should be wondering what I have at this point that I would call all these bets and should be concerned.

Well from fifth on I am pretty certain he has a four flush (didn't know about the set with it on 6th) and I make the decision that if I make the flush on the river, I have to raise for value.

Sorry Lsteam. Never fun when we tangle. You had a quality hand with a great redraw to beat my ace high flush draw.

I am in St. Louis today and actually am going to the casino now to play live stud... Hope they have a big game. Can't get through on the phone...haven't been in a casino in a year and a half since I moved to Omaha, Nebraska. Hope I don't forget that I am not in front of my computer and talk about my hands and call people idiots!

See ya.

[Andy B]

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haven't been in a casino in a year and a half since I moved to Omaha, Nebraska.

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Canterbury is only about six hours from you. Maybe they'll have a $6/12 game for you. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[blumpkin22]

vnh. your logic is flawless throughout.