Silly pot odds

MLG · #1 06-02-2005, 01:14 AM

I have 5k and 56s, blinds are 100/200. 2 people limp, I limp behind and button goes all-in for 1200. Blinds and limpers fold. 1000 to me with 2100 in the pot. I call. This is boring, but its a good example of not folding in all-in situations getting 2:1 or better. Its not just about getting reraised preflop.

Lloyd · #2 06-02-2005, 01:17 AM

How small does your stack have to be to a) just fold pre-flop; and b) fold when the action gets back to you.

MLG · #3 06-02-2005, 01:22 AM

preflop probably about 15 BBs given that im limping behind (which decreases the chances it will get raised behind me). As for folding when it gets back to me. Its 5 BBs for me to call, so I'd probably fold with about 14-18BBs, because losing would drop me to 9-13BBs, which in my mind hurts my ability to get chips with no show down, and the gamble is so so so slightly +EV that I'd be ok giving it up. All those numbers are subject to change based on table dynamics though.

Lloyd · #4 06-02-2005, 01:26 AM

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which decreases the chances it will get raised behind me

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I don't understand that. Why would you limping after a couple others decrease the chance it will get raised behind you. Obviously, it takes away a straight steal attempt but that seems to be countered by a more advanced "pwn the limpers" steal.

JaBlue · #5 06-02-2005, 01:38 AM

This is completely elementary and uninteresting.

I suggest you do something else where you're getting like 1.5:1 with tens and need to evaluate your equity against his hand range on the fly.

Lloyd · #6 06-02-2005, 01:42 AM

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This is completely elementary and uninteresting.

I suggest you do something else where you're getting like 1.5:1 with tens and need to evaluate your equity against his hand range on the fly.

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Actually, I think that is more elementary than MLG's hand.

JaBlue · #7 06-02-2005, 02:08 AM

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This is completely elementary and uninteresting.

I suggest you do something else where you're getting like 1.5:1 with tens and need to evaluate your equity against his hand range on the fly.

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Actually, I think that is more elementary than MLG's hand.

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You're going to have to explain that.

MLG · #8 06-02-2005, 02:42 AM

i don't know if you are referencing an old post, but I posted a hand that was exactly that.

MLG · #9 06-02-2005, 02:44 AM

I tend to believe that in many situations limpers encourage limpers, and certainly that was the case at the table i was at. my statement was meant to be situation specific, as in at this table an open limp lowered the chances of a raise in my opinion.

SossMan · #10 06-02-2005, 04:27 AM

I like how you are not even asking questions now, you are simply stating obvious facts that may or may not be obvious to the average poster.

andrew