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Old 12-07-2005, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

Furthermore, I need help doing ICM calculations on this one:

I put SB and BB's calling ranges to TT+, ATs+,AQo+ (5.3%)and UTG1 and UTG2 to 88+, A8s+, ATo+, KQo, KQs (9.8%).

The chance of not being called is 0,902*0,902*0,947*0,947 = 72,8%??
But when I have to do ICM-calculations on each of the possible scenarios if being called I got a problem (72,8+9,8+9,8+5,3+5,3= 102,3%!!!!)

If called by either SB or BB I'll win 42%

If called by either UTG1 or UTG2 I'll win 53%

Chip count at start 720,735,1015,680,1695,1365,1135,655 ICM=0,0866

Chip count if they all fold 695,685,1015,580,1595,1365,1135,930 ICM=0,1189

Chip count if called and I win:
SB call 65,685,1015,580,1595,1365,1135,1560 ICM= 0,187
BB call 695,80,1015,580,1595,1365,1135,1535 ICM= 0,1845
UTG1 call 695,685,1015,25.1595.1365.1135,1485 ICM= 0,1796
UTG2 call 695,685,1015,580,1040,1365,1135,1485 ICM=0,1766

How do I go from here??
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Old 12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

You can't work it out like that, because UTG1 and UTG2's ranges are, presumably, not any two cards.

By that, I mean that the hands they call with (if you are assuming top 10% or whatever) are actually a higher % of the hands they currently hold - at a pinch I'd say 40-50% in fact.
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Old 12-07-2005, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

The calling range I set fot UTG1+2 was the hands I figured that they would initially min-raise/call with respectively, and then call my push.
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Old 12-07-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

Trust me, you've done it wrong.
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Old 12-08-2005, 08:20 AM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

well, enlighten me, please
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Old 12-08-2005, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

Meh.. I'll have to dig out how to do these formulae later, I worked it out a long time ago. It's not as simple as "normal" ICM though, not by a long shot.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: $22 blind 25/50: Push with TT on button aftre min-raise + caller

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Furthermore, I need help doing ICM calculations on this one:

I put SB and BB's calling ranges to TT+, ATs+,AQo+ (5.3%)and UTG1 and UTG2 to 88+, A8s+, ATo+, KQo, KQs (9.8%).

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But, that's not 9.8% of the range with which they would already have put chips in the pot. You've got to figure out what their intial ranges were for entering the pot and then determine with what percentage of those they will call the raise.

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The chance of not being called is 0,902*0,902*0,947*0,947 = 72,8%??
But when I have to do ICM-calculations on each of the possible scenarios if being called I got a problem (72,8+9,8+9,8+5,3+5,3= 102,3%!!!!)

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It looks like this is because you have not accounted for the possibility of two (or more) players calling the raise.
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