A high OOP on an ugly board

mmcd · #1 10-09-2005, 04:45 PM

Opponent is 29/21/2.1

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Anyone think a different turn/river line would be better here?

Spicymoose · #2 10-09-2005, 04:52 PM

I like it, and think I need to do more of things like this. I would usually just lead the turn, get raised, and fold my better hand. Or I would lead, get raised, and call down with a worse. I like your line.

wheelz · #3 10-09-2005, 06:03 PM

i actually think i do it a bit too much, but yeah i like this line. i think the river is pretty close, but call seems good here.

mmcd · #4 10-09-2005, 06:16 PM

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i think the river is pretty close

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River: (6.50 BB)

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Unless the river card is a 9 or an 8, I don't think checkfolding is even worth considering.

wheelz · #5 10-09-2005, 06:21 PM

well that's why i don't like calling it... it looks like you're going to show this down, but he still bets. no, i don't ever fold though.

mmcd · #6 10-10-2005, 06:49 PM

Anyone like a river bet/call? I think he'd bluff raise a river donk A LOT given the goofiness of that line.

#7 10-10-2005, 08:24 PM

Do you really want to put in 2 bets on the river with ace high?

I like the line that you used and that is how I normally play it.

mmcd · #8 10-10-2005, 10:23 PM

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Do you really want to put in 2 bets on the river with ace high?

I like the line that you used and that is how I normally play it.

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The way I played it felt pretty standard to me at the time, but in thinking about it after the fact, I don't think putting 2 in on the river would be bad. I think at least a fair portion of the hands that have me beat (which would have value bet anyways) will just call a river bet because the line would be so weird. It would almost certainly look line a very-thin-value or bluff bet/fold or a very unlikely but very tricky bet/3-bet. I don't think medium strength hands would be able to find much value in raising, but hands that can't beat A-high/K-king high would bluff raise VERY often. I think he'll very rarely just fold to a river donk here when he has nothing. So when I do get raised, usually it would be the pretty strong hands and the pure bluffs, so I think a bet/call might just have a higher ev than a check/call.

As it happened, he had J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and MHIG.

ArturiusX · #9 10-10-2005, 10:26 PM

Except for the bizzare preflop raise, I think I like our villians postflop line. Discuss.

mmcd · #10 10-10-2005, 10:28 PM

He opened from the CO. Nothing bizzare there.