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Spicymoose · #1 10-11-2005, 02:45 PM

First hand at the table, so no reads. This is Empire though, so I would guess the average opponent is TAG/LAG.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

Any other way to play this? Just checking...

Stefan_K · #2 10-11-2005, 03:48 PM

checkrais flop and fold to the turn rais

#3 10-11-2005, 03:50 PM

Eureka! Now to get myself to actually do this....! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Spicymoose · #4 10-11-2005, 04:06 PM

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checkrais flop and fold to the turn rais

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I can definetly see that I probably should fold to the turn raise. I am curious as to the flop check raise though. It seems with my relative position, I would rather try to drive out the button by having UTG raise me (most of the time he will). A check raise may get more value into the pot, but it seems my hand is a bit vulnerable at the moment.

mantasm · #5 10-11-2005, 04:12 PM

I like the flop bet. I think the turn is a safe fold to an unknown, especially given the action, the pot's not all that big and you probably have the worst hand with bad odds to improve.

Stefan_K · #6 10-11-2005, 04:25 PM

youp i missread, betting flop seams optimal
or hmm i don't know wich is the best but they seam quite equally

Guy McSucker · #7 10-12-2005, 06:28 AM

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This is Empire though, so I would guess the average opponent is TAG/LAG.

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You would be wrong. Just watch 'em. I really think people are over-reacting to the changes this week, at least at the low limits.

On to the hand:

I like the turn bet. It's reasonably likely there's an ace out there, of course, but if not you can take the pot with a bet quite often. You also want to protect your hand vs overcards, straight draws and the backdoor flush.

When you get raised on the turn in the $5/10 you're almost surely in trouble with anything less than top pair good kicker, and even then you're usually losing. There are exceptions of course: some players like to raise the turn for fun, or when they've picked up a draw, or when a scare card hits. Until you know otherwise, though, assume a turn raise means what it is supposed to mean.

This one is fairly close because of your gutshot draw. A ten is almost surely good for you and jacks and queens could be too. On balance I think you need to call getting 7.7-1 with something like 6 or 7 outs on average.

Back to the flop. I think I prefer your line to the check-raise because of your relative position, as you said.

We called the turn looking to improve and didn't, so check-fold the river.

Guy.

Nietzsche · #8 10-12-2005, 07:09 AM

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I can definetly see that I probably should fold to the turn raise. I am curious as to the flop check raise though. It seems with my relative position, I would rather try to drive out the button by having UTG raise me (most of the time he will). A check raise may get more value into the pot, but it seems my hand is a bit vulnerable at the moment.

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I don't agree with the idea that if you cannot protect your hand you should not CR in this situation. You CR for value here even though your hand is vulnerable.

#9 10-12-2005, 07:43 AM

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This one is fairly close because of your gutshot draw. A ten is almost surely good for you and jacks and queens could be too. On balance I think you need to call getting 7.7-1 with something like 6 or 7 outs on average.

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Hm I don't see a gutshot here..
FWIW I would c/r flop, call turn and fold river UI.

Guy McSucker · #10 10-12-2005, 12:29 PM

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This one is fairly close because of your gutshot draw.

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Hm I don't see a gutshot here..

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You mean 9 T J Q A is not a straight?

Silly me. Thanks for catching it.

I go with folding the turn.

Guy.