Paris riots spread, shaking French government

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...Maybe if the french started to imprison/deport rioters then there would be a bit more order on the streets...

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You think they should re-build "Devil's Island?"

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[BadgerAle]

"You think they should re-build "Devil's Island?"

I don't know the referance but at the moment there is a very weak connection between offending and being accountable fot that offence.

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I don't know the referance...

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Have you never heard of the French Guiana island where they sent their "hard asses?" It was called Devil's Island.

[Peter666]

"You didn't refer to Islamic extremists as the problem, you referred to Islam."

The more one strictly adheres to Islam, the more of a problem they are. Those who in the Muslim world would be considered "bad Muslims" would make decent citizens in the Western World. "Bad Muslims" don't adhere to misogyny, no interest rates, no-alcohol, association with non-muslims. So yes, the tenets of Islam is the problem when they are adhered too. They are simply too different from Western thought.

As for Chirac, opposition to US policy (not necessarily bad in the Iraq situation) and definitely support of China over Taiwan makes him on international issues on the left side of the ledger. As to issues at home, I would agree he is a moderate, but as somebody else mentioned, the political view of France from our perspective is slanted. The right wing does not like him, and the socialists don't either, but tolerate him. And there the socialists are extreme as everything is in French politics.

A final point on the pro-Western Algerian government: While the current leaders are pro-Western, any government unable to control a country that goes through civil wars and massacres regularly is not an established authority that can reflect the will of its people.

[Peter666]

"It is certainly superior to French ruled-Algeria."

How you can say that in the face of civil wars and regular, horrific massacres is beyond belief.

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As for Chirac...

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I'm not undestanding how Monseuir Chirac isn't able to use Diplomacy to solve his country's "problem." Wasn't this one of Monseuir Chirac's complaints about GWB's decisions about Iraq? GWB's failure to exhaust all of the perceived Diplomatic options?

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As for Chirac...

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I'm not undestanding how Monseuir Chirac isn't able to use Diplomacy to solve his country's "problem." Wasn't this one of Monseuir Chirac's complaints about GWB's decisions about Iraq? GWB's failure to exhaust all of the perceived Diplomatic options?

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Iraq is GWB's country?

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Iraq is GWB's country?

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Does my sarcasm detector needs new batteries?

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[Peter666]

This Paris riot situation is fantastic irony and poetic justice for the USA.

No one criticized the US harsher than the French leftists, not only for Iraq, but also Hurricane Katrina! They loved thumbing their noses at America's "latent racism" and unfair system.

Hypocrites! Now that the Muslims have risen up complaining about the same thing, what are the French socialists doing?: Instituting media CENSORSHIP on the events!!! Why? Obviously many Frenchy's are changing their political stance based on this situation, and we can't have that, can we? CENSORSHIP is the only way the left can block people from seeing REALITY and making judgments based on that.

Truth hurts, does it not? And they thought winning the World Cup of Soccer would bring all parts of the nation together in solidarity. Ha ha ha [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[adios]

News on the Situation in France

I've read many articles and commentary about this situation in France this week. A common theme is that there is little upward mobility and a distinct lack of opportunities to be upwardly mobile especially for Muslim immagrents. I find stuff like this to actually be quite disturbing and alarming:

PARIS - Thousands of Parisian police guarded the Eiffel Tower, the Champs Elysees and train stations on Saturday as part of emergency measures enacted in response to text messages and Internet postings that called for "violent actions" in the capital. In Lyon, France's third largest city, police fired tear gas to disperse stone-hurling youths at the historic Place Bellecour.

Apparently the emergency measures have quelled a lot of the intensity and the scope of this unrest at the expense of personal freedom I might add. Anybody have any complaints about the French emergency measures being utlized? These measures seem to be much more restrictive than something like the Patriot Act from what I gather but could be convinced otherwise.