Iraq War making us safer?

[newfant]

Iraq still appears to be a bottomless pit of terror and
despair:

"Fighters loyal to militant leader Abu Musab Zarqawi asserted control over the key Iraqi border town of Qaim on Monday, killing U.S. collaborators and enforcing strict Islamic law, according to tribal members, officials, residents and others in the town and nearby villages.

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Many of the towns along the river have been subject to domination by foreign-led fighters, despite repeated Marine offensives in the area since May. Residents and Marines have described insurgents escaping ahead of such drives, and returning when the offensives end.

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In Baghdad, insurgents launched a dawn attack on the Interior Ministry, killing two police officers, officials said. Other political violence Monday in Baghdad killed at least 13 civilians, the Associated Press reported."

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I hope we make it through this coming 9/11 anniversary without a terrorist attack. A terrorist attack at this time would be truly devasting. After its handling of this hurricane disaster, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security do not inspire confidence so I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about what might happen on the 9/11 anniversary.

[Broken Glass Can]

I thought the Iraq issue was dead. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

We haven't had a thread in days.

Consider this: We would be worse off against world terror without our efforts in Iraq, so on net the Iraq effort was worth it and is making us safer.

Plus the lives of people in Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Libya and other countries have improved, and we should not dismiss the well being of our fellow world citizens.

[Cyrus]

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We would be worse off against world terror without our efforts in Iraq.

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Yeah, right!

Without the invasion, let's see: There would not be an Islamic Constitution over Iraq; there would be no Shia clerics ruling the country; there would be equal rights for women; there would be no thousands of terrorists/insurgents up in arms in Iraq; there would be no terrorist activities around the world related to the Iraq War (Madrid, London); there would be fewer "points of reference" for radical Muslim propagands; and many other things.

All bad, according to the Looney Right.

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I thought the Iraq issue was dead. We haven't had a thread in days.

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I rather think you are subconsciously trying to write about Iraqi dead. Or American dead in Iraq. "We haven't had a dead in days."

[Broken Glass Can]

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Without the invasion, let's see: There would not be an Islamic Constitution over Iraq; there would be no Shia clerics ruling the country; there would be equal rights for women

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Wow, I didn't realize how much better off they were with Saddam.

[BadgerAle]

What bothers me the most is not whether Iraqis and Afgans are better off now or then (this is arguable, and it will only be revealled in time- At the moment i'd rather be in sadam's iraq), but whether the US-led coalition has tried the best it can to improve the lives of the people of these countries. It seems to me that in Afganistan this hasn't happened- that the US would rather leave them in a mess and divert its money to invading iraq.
This shows how far down the list of objectives improving the lives of foreigners is to the Bush government.

[evil_twin]

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Consider this: We would be worse off against world terror without our efforts in Iraq, so on net the Iraq effort was worth it and is making us safer.

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I doubt you yourself even belive this line at this point in the conflict. I can tell you that the rest of us don't!

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Terrorist Attacks by Iraq before invasion: 0

Terrorist Attacks by Iraq after invasion : 0

[BadgerAle]

Terrorist Attacks by inspired by Iraq before invasion: 0

Terrorist Attacks by inspired by Iraq after invasion : at least 3 major international (probably more), very numerous within iraq.

The only posiible way that anyone could think the iraq war makes westerners safer is as a long term preventative of the chance of nuclear terrorism. EVERY other effect has caused an INCREASE in terrorism. This obviously was not a objective. The increase in terrorism must have been seen as an acceptable price for the other objective/s.

[Toro]

There will be residual effects of letting this war in Iraq drag on and on. Future US Presidents will be loathe to use military force anywhere else for fear of the same, not to mention making it impossible to sell it to Congress and the American people.

The same thing happened after Vietnam until Bush senior demonstrated a new doctrine for waging war with the first Gulf War. He got in, accomplished the mission and got out. Sadly his son ignores this.

[Cyrus]

You folks are sometimes just too obvious.

You write, quite inanely, "We would be worse off against <font color="blue"> world terror</font> without our efforts in Iraq."


And as soon as you are challenged, you respond with a change of subject : "Wow, I didn't realize how much better off [the Iraqis] were <font color="blue"> with Saddam </font>."

You're fast but not that fast.