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Old 08-03-2005, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

also, these numbers are with pedro haveing one less start then both, he catches up tonight.

his line tonight: 7IP 8H 3ER 2BB 8SO 1HR
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

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also, these numbers are with pedro haveing one less start then both, he catches up tonight.

his line tonight: 7IP 8H 3ER 2BB 8SO 1HR

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That actually hurts his average I think.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:40 PM
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also, these numbers are with pedro haveing one less start then both, he catches up tonight.

his line tonight: 7IP 8H 3ER 2BB 8SO 1HR

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That actually hurts his average I think.

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well i was just being fair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

ERA:
Martinez 2.76
Carpenter 2.26
Clemens 1.49
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

Carpenter has 151 strikeouts.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

I haven't looked at any numbers, but Busch is more hitter friendly than Houston (Minute Maid just sounds retarded)?
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

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ERA:
Martinez 2.76
Carpenter 2.26
Clemens 1.49

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like the ERA's of these three men speak for themselves? they dont.

FIP formula:

Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded.

Pedro 2.54
Carpenter 2.60
Roger 2.63


While its not a perfect way to judge a pitcher its much better than ERA.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:27 PM
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Carpenter has 151 strikeouts.

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oops, he does. nice catch.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:29 PM
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I haven't looked at any numbers, but Busch is more hitter friendly than Houston (Minute Maid just sounds retarded)?

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yeah, Park Factors
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:37 PM
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Default Re: Should Pedro be thrown into the NL Cy Young Mix?

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ERA:
Martinez 2.76
Carpenter 2.26
Clemens 1.49

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like the ERA's of these three men speak for themselves? they dont.

FIP formula:

Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded.

Pedro 2.54
Carpenter 2.60
Roger 2.63


While its not a perfect way to judge a pitcher its much better than ERA.

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Interesting numbers. I obviously need to beef up on my baseball metrics so I can join in some of the discussions. All I know as a Cards fan is I'm confident when Carpenter is pitching, and if he performs in the playoffs I won't care too much about who wins the Cy Young.
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