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Old 04-16-2005, 07:33 PM
radioheadfan radioheadfan is offline
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

Humor us with some results Garland.
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Old 04-16-2005, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

See my post above.
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Old 04-16-2005, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

If its a bluff, its a huge mistake. On the pot/stack size, if villian thinks he has the worst hand and will not win a showdown, the all in bluff here has to succeed about 90% of the time to make money. Materially more than 10% of players will call with their big pair here, so all in with anything less than a lock hand is a mistake here.
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Old 04-16-2005, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

villian's bet smells like 5X with no [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to me.
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Old 04-16-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

obviously a misclick -> call.
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Old 04-17-2005, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

My advice is:

1. Do your homework and have reads on the players you play against.
2. Bet the flop
3. Since you didn't do 1 or 2 and it's middle stakes, fold.
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:28 AM
NotAClue NotAClue is offline
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

So our opponent has a middle pair and wants:
1. to bluff hero who supposedly has overcards, on the turn when the Q comes?
2. force hero to fold his six outer

And an unknown opponent is going to do this 90% of the time (to make calling here correct)?
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:45 AM
NotAClue NotAClue is offline
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

What does an unknown put hero on when he raises pf and checks a little flop? When a Q comes on the turn what sorts of hands is the opponent going to push in with?

FWIW, I don't get cute with overpairs without a read on my opponent, especially when you have one of the best flops imaginable for a big overpair.
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Old 04-17-2005, 03:10 AM
Spladle Master Spladle Master is offline
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Default Re: A massive overbet...

[ QUOTE ]
So our opponent has a middle pair and wants:
1. to bluff hero who supposedly has overcards, on the turn when the Q comes?
2. force hero to fold his six outer

And an unknown opponent is going to do this 90% of the time (to make calling here correct)?

[/ QUOTE ]

Kings don't have to be ahead anywhere near 90% of the time for calling to be correct.
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Old 04-17-2005, 05:00 AM
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Default Not a perfect world

i am not advocating calling or folding but i hate how people who think its an easy fold do so because it is "impossible" that the villian is on a bluff because it has to work 90% of the time. to assume the villian has perfect rationality heavily flaws an individual's analysis of hands.
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