"Official" Live at the Bike thread (3/19)

[Michael Davis]

Because I have a major paper due on Monday morning.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

I stayed late to play in the game and moved to seat seven. Seat four tightened up quite a bit but it was still a very good game.

There were a few hands in small pots I was able to run successful bluffs or sem-bluffs on (I think in all cases seat four was out). Anyway, I was surprised not to see them up here. Maybe my hand didn't show well on the hole card cams.

Tired now. Good night [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

~ Rick

[kbfc]

Hey, I haven't seen the video and heard the commentary, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but it appears to me some people think I was in the "Crew". I was the jackass in seat 9, then 8, who tilted off his last chips over the last 30 minutes or so.

I have some comments, although it's hard to be specific since some of the posts are vague:

- KJ vs rick and seat 4. I believe I openedraised from fairly late position, Rick 3 bet behind me, seat 4 capped (as in, he had 2 cards). I don't think calling here is a mistake, as i would certainly call 1 more back to me and the cap from seat 4 was meaningless.

Flop was J-high, uncoordinated. I bet out, rick raised, seat 4 3-bet, and I capped. This folded Rick, which was the main goal, since I figured I was probably way ahead of seat 4, and Rick either had me beat or had some good live cards in what was now a pretty huge pot. So seat 4 trips up on the turn and I lose.....what are you gonna do?

- I had 2 or 3 hands where I was in steal position against rick and seat 2's blinds, where I tried to bully seat 2 out of the pot with trash.....how was I supposed to know he flopped a straight and 2pair on me?

- the one hand I think I got overzealous with (before the last 30 minutes where I was steaming) was when I had QQ vs i think 56 and 56. I should have just folded when seat 6 bet into me on the turn....with the Qc, I think my play is correct, but not with Qs....maybe not....

- KJ vs seat 4's AJ when river puts 2 Js on board.....what the hell am I supposed to do? I beat about 90% of the hands he plays that way. He couldn't be full there....he would have raised the turn with 2pair or a set 100% of the time.

Anyway, the story ends well....for me at least. After the cameras turned off, the game kept going, with a few seat changes. Seat 7 (good player, nice guy) left, and Rick took his seat, gaining the best position at the table(I would have if I was paying attention).

I left at about 2:30am after taking back about 3 racks from seat 4. The last hand I won a huge pot with AdQd where I made the nut flush and seat 4 had some raggedy 2 pair or something. Shortly before that, I had won a big pot off him with the nut straight. Someone, maybe me, commented that my hand was the absolute nuts for the board (as it was), and he made some meanspirited comment about how it was "barely the nuts" (as opposed to his top pair?). I replied, "yeah, like being barely pregnant." He was at this point down to 1200 in chips (from a max of about 2500), and in a real jackass sorta way challenged me to highcard for his last 1200. I replied, "sorry, I don't like gambling." I could have done better. I should have offered to high card him with 2:1 odds. I think he would have taken it, too. So he goes into some big tirade about how I only play the nuts (wtf?), and I've never seen that much money in my life, and his son has a hat like mine. Classy. In the end, I racked up with a 500 dollar profit for the night. Not bad considering I went through almost 3 racks on camera.

-Keith

ps: nice meeting you, Rick. You seem like a really great guy. I'm sure we'll play again soon.

[kbfc]

Rick, check out my post here. The game broke about an hour after you left under fairly amusing circumstances.

-Keith

[kbfc]

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Thats a good idea! You should follow the players that step away from the table...they are probably on the phone talkin to their buddies watching the webcast to get info on the plays and players....

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"Probably" is a bit of an understatement.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Hey, I haven't seen the video and heard the commentary, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but it appears to me some people think I was in the "Crew". I was the jackass in seat 9, then 8, who tilted off his last chips over the last 30 minutes or so.

I have some comments, although it's hard to be specific since some of the posts are vague:

- KJ vs rick and seat 4. I believe I openedraised from fairly late position, Rick 3 bet behind me, seat 4 capped (as in, he had 2 cards). I don't think calling here is a mistake, as i would certainly call 1 more back to me and the cap from seat 4 was meaningless.

Flop was J-high, uncoordinated. I bet out, rick raised, seat 4 3-bet, and I capped. This folded Rick, which was the main goal, since I figured I was probably way ahead of seat 4, and Rick either had me beat or had some good live cards in what was now a pretty huge pot.

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I had AK so at this point it seemed like an easy fold.

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So seat 4 trips up on the turn and I lose.....what are you gonna do?

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Be 'tiltless" like Tommy Angelo.

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"I left at about 2:30am after taking back about 3 racks from seat 4. The last hand I won a huge pot with AdQd where I made the nut flush and seat 4 had some raggedy 2 pair or something. Shortly before that, I had won a big pot off him with the nut straight. Someone, maybe me, commented that my hand was the absolute nuts for the board (as it was), and he made some meanspirited comment about how it was "barely the nuts" (as opposed to his top pair?). I replied, "yeah, like being barely pregnant."

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Let's say I have a double gut shot and make it. Someone comments that I was lucky to hit my gutshot (they obviously didn't see the double gutter). Best policy is to shrug - if they think you play worse than you do that's good for you and the game. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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He was at this point down to 1200 in chips (from a max of about 2500), and in a real jackass sorta way challenged me to highcard for his last 1200. I replied, "sorry, I don't like gambling."

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ack!!! Never say this in a casino unless you are talking to a close friend and nobody can hear you!

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ps: nice meeting you, Rick. You seem like a really great guy. I'm sure we'll play again soon.

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Thanks. It was nice playing you and you are right, seat seven was the place to play. I sort of had you pegged as a tough player once you sat down - something about surfing 2+2 gives a player a certain "hard to describe" look.

~ Rick

[kbfc]

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I assume you are kidding (going by the ). Calling a raise from one of the tightest players at the table with Q-10 is not 'tough luck'. I wouldn't even play that unraised from up front.

Anyway, his associating with Russ Boyd is reason enough to cheer against this kid. Don't take my word for it, search the threads here and see what others have to say about him (clue: try pokerspot for starters).

Russ may no longer be in the crew, so who knows.

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Care to fill me in on all this crew stuff? I can only assume you're talking about me, and I don't know what the commentators were saying, but I've never met a crew member in my life (I lie....a year or so ago I made a final table on a pokerstars multi with gank...).

I'm not trying to get all overdefensive or anything. I figured I'd get reamed on here, due to the last half hour alone. I lost 2 racks on tilt after getting pretty much crapped on by the deck for 3 hours. I don't remember specifically calling a tight raiser with QT, but I might have, especially if I had position, it was suited, and it looked like the whole table was coming along for the ride. Or I could have just been steaming.....

Anyway, I'm sure it looks real bad doing stuff like raising the turn with J-high, when you can see all the cards and know he flopped a straight.

-Keith

ps: I know this came out sounding all whiny and defensive. I promise that's not the way I feel.....I definitely deserved to be roasted for a good number of plays (the KJ vs seat 4 and rick doesn't count....I'm very happy with how I played that one). I'm just a bit confused by all this animosity due to some supposed crew affiliation

[BarronVangorToth]

Sounds like it was a good show last night, with your hosts Bart, Denny, and not-Bart. I really should get the subscription so I can watch those episodes I don't see (which is a majority of them).

If I knew Bart was getting a cut of the action, I'd be happier about ponying up $14.95 for their webcasts - he definitely deserves more than he gets, but I can't do it for the fear that Denny might make some of that money too. I am indifferent as to whether not-Bart does or doesn't get additional funds.

As to the games themselves and the action that took place, I think many people on this board would do well to play some live events whenever they can as, while I might not know the specifics, live play is VERY loose and VERY different from what you're used to online.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

[razor]

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If I didn't think Grace had a bigger flush draw I very well might have. With fifteen outs, getting three calls is +EV.

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Fair enough, getting to see all the hands is no doubt skewing my thinking.

On the other hand, wouldn't Grace raise in this spot with more hands than flush overcards? Perhaps not a wide enough range to justify a value bet.

[JustASpectator]

Any chance that the quality of play is an example of the Hawthorne Effect?

"Individual behaviors may be altered because they know they are being studied."