KK-fold to the ace?

[wrto4556]

Button is OK. I have notes that he peels the flop too much.
SB has brain damage, i think. very loose/passive but sometimes does bizzare stuff.

10/20 (3 handed)

I get two black kings in the BB.
Button raises, SB calls, I 3-bet, everyone calls.

flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, I bet, Button calls, SB calls.

turn is the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, I bet, Button raises, SB folds, I fold...

right?

[Stefan_K]

I would have played it the same, i don't like to fold to a posible bluff. But you can't do anything else than bet fold this turn i think.

[wrto4556]

im just running bad.

[JrJordan]

Looks good to me. It's hard to give himn credit for a bluff when SB is still in the pot (though a tricky player could assume he'll fold when it's two BB to him). If it was HU I'd be more inclined to call down, but in this case barring a read I think the fold is SOP.

[Derek in NYC]

In a 3-handed game, I think you give too much credit for an ace. I dont play 10/20, but after a preflop steal attempt, I will often raise on 4th street when a scare card hits and I have position on a tight/normal opponent. So Im sorry, but I call this down. Maybe its a big leak.

[wrto4556]

even after I 3-bet preflop?

[Derek in NYC]

By three-betting preflop (after the SB has completed), you are representing either a premium pair or a big ace. So obviously getting raised on 4th street is problematic. But the three-handed part just makes this very difficult to lay down, particularly since I assume it is completely normal to raise from the button. If this were normally a 6-handed table, then perhaps the button raise should be respected more. But here, I think for every time you run into an ace, there are at least as many times when you are going to run into a hand like TT, Qx, spade draw, etc. Absent a read on the player, it just seems like you're making a "worst case" assumption in laying down. Against some opponents sure a fold is in order, but if this guy is remotely tricky or aggressive (which I understood to be implicit from your problem description), I think you set yourself up to be run over in a 3-handed game if you are folding large pairs anytime an ace flops and there was significant preflop raising.

Then again, like I said, I dont play 10/20, and this could well be a serious leak on my part.

[steaknshake925]

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In a 3-handed game, I think you give too much credit for an ace. I dont play 10/20, but after a preflop steal attempt, I will often raise on 4th street when a scare card hits and I have position on a tight/normal opponent. So Im sorry, but I call this down. Maybe its a big leak.

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yuck, i dont think its good to give ur average 10/20 oppponent credit for that much trickiness. i think u would need a pretty solid read from previous play to call this down. yes bet/folding feels crappy but nothin else really looks good here.

[Guy McSucker]

From what I've seen of the $10/20 game on Party, they raise any scary looking turn card all the time. If your game is anything like those ones, I think you want to call this down getting 5-1 on it.

Guy.

[wrto4556]

ive never played the 10/20 at party...im guessing it's nothing like the 5/10.