Balls of fire...60/120 Live Hand.

[casinogosain]

This seems like a reasonable spot to checkraise the flop rather than the turn. Given that you checkraised the turn, I would lead the river. From the player descriptions, I think you are likely to get called by a worse hand on the river. I'm not sure what I would do if I got raised on the river, but I lean towards calling this type of player.

-Ash

[Lawrence Ng]

Tilt guy bets the river, I call. He shows KK.

There are a couple of reasons why I didn't go in for a check-raise on the flop. The first being that I have another player in the flop who is a loose chaser. If he's got a piece of the board, he ain't going nowhere and he's even smart enough to go all the way to the river with say 2nd pair, a smaller pocket pair if the play throughout the hand is passive enough. And let's face it, that board is riddened with draws. Even if I am best on the flop at this point, my pot equity isn't high enough and being OOP sucks so I just flat called. Bad thinking?

The second reason is that I will have absolutely no idea where I stand if I check-raise that flop against the tiltman. He's gonna 3-bet me with both pocket pair and overcards. I'm forced into a defensive stance then and driving up that pot on the flop is gonna keep EP in the hand (if he decides to play) and he's gonna pay off if the pot gets big which I don't want provided there is some chance he has a piece of the flop.

So basically on the flop I really want to see where EP is at, but want to risk as little as possible at this point to gather the information. Again, is this flawed thinking?

The turn is nice card and now I'm playing percentages here. Tiltman isn't dumb enough to 3-bet me without a strong here and I figure my best chance of winning the pot and/or getting HU with Tiltman is best if I c/r. I think there's also something to be said about betting the turn for fear of a check-through, but as I mentioned I smelled weak blood from EP and I really wanted to knock him out if he did have second pair/pocket pair. I think this is one of the situations where if I want to substantially increase my chances of winning, it's a must. Flawed thinking?

River is standard imho.

Thanks for the input everyone.

[TStoneMBD]

originally i liked a checkraise because it gives UTG a chance to fold 77, but since you said he will not do that calling seems more logical. even more logical than that is to lead into the preflop raiser on the flop because if UTG calls, the preflop raiser will jam with whatever and you can 3bet to eliminate UTG.

i think your reasoning is flawed that you dont like checkraising the flop because tiltman will 3bet you with anything and it puts you in defensive mode. who cares? youre not going to get any information that allows you to fold this hand by playing any other way unless utg wakes up. if you know he will 3bet you with anything you gain the same amount of bets against tiltman when ahead as behind unless of course he checks the river when he cant win. out of position you cant expect any better than this. i wouldnt feel comfortable folding to a turn 3bet after youve checkraised as you said the guy is on tilt and may be planning to 3bet check river with Ahigh.