Wynn Poker Room - A Short Review

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I haven't even bothered with the new bellagio room because I can't see their adding a mere 10 tables is going to make the waits any shorter for the games I like to play (8-16, 2-5 no limit, and occasionally 15-30). Long lines might be the case for the wynn too, time will tell. This phenomenon might keep me primarily at MGM, as well as many others playing the smaller stakes games. However, I may foray into the 5-10 no limit from time to time at either MGM or Wynn.

al

[J.R.]

yeah, but what about the point of my post? didn't mason write an essay about this 2/3 v 2/4 stucture issue and come out in favor of 2-4 cause bad players go broke slower.

[Clarkmeister]

There's a limitless amount of bad players now so that's not really the issue. For whatever reason, and to me it doesn't matter what the reason is, the 2-1 structured games are simply "better" than the 3-2 games. As I wrote earlier, to me Commerce is the best and most scientific example of this that exists as both were spread and now the 3-2 games are basically dead, and it's not been because of people going broke, its been because they choose the 2-1 games.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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$2 chips for the $8-16.

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I am surprised that I am the first one to point out the best thing about Clark's post... a 4 chip small bet - 8chip big bet structure is GREAT for action. The pots will be huge, the chip stacks will be huge, and the gamblers will flock to this game. I predict this game will be a huge success for the Wynn, I am happy to see them experimenting by thinking outside the traditional Vegas box. For those of you who have been following another thread here in the B&M forum, recently the Trop in AC just did the same by using $2.50 pink chips in their newly revived 10/20 game.

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[banditbdl]

They run the same $2 chips $8-16 game at Canterbury Park in MN (where I think a lot of the Wynn staff has been hijacked from) and that game has hella gamBOOOOL.

[Trainwreck]

They used smaller 7 card stud tables for all 27 too right?

That was pretty friggin stupid!

If it's that cramped then it's not a top 3 room in my mind, but I will see it soon.

No max at 1/2 NL is friggin nuts to me too, why bother playing 2/5 and higher?

I'll just buy in for $40,000 at 1/2 and eat all the players up, too much of an advantage to the bigger bankrolls, and very unfriendly for touristy types, IMHO.

The managers of the poker room, obviously are not serious players themselves based on the descriptions I am hearing... CRAMPED is the only word I had to read to know that.

>TW<

[Al_Capone_Junior]

It did appear that all tables were stud tables. Certain ones were cramped, tho not ALL of them.

As for the no max buy-in, I understand the "theoretical" implications. However, in practice it might not be that way.

For instance, I only brought about $500 with me to the wynn this morning. I was planning on playing that, and if I lost it all, quitting. I also did not plan to play in ANY game where I was way outmatched, or outstacked. Even a player with 1/3 of my "theoretical" skills could certainly make it difficult for me if he really knew how to use a big stack to his advantage. However, I have not seen this as the norm in smaller las vegas no limit games.

As I said earlier, I actually SAT DOWN at the 2-5 no limit at the wynn, where there is no max buy-in. I only bought in for $240. Seemed appropriate, as only one person at the table had much more than that, one guy had $600 or so. If everyone had $3000 I would certainly have NOT sat down at that game.

In the 1-2 game I played, the giant stack was perfectly positioned two to my right. He bullied a lot, but I never really got involved with him, at least not till he bullied me when I had aces. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Everyone else mostly had either way less than I did, or a little more. No biggie.

Part of no limit play is assessing the game and situation both before you sit down, and after you're seated. If things are good, you stay. If things are bad, you leave. Stack sizes and aggressiveness of players are two of the parameters you consider. The hard part is knowing when conditions are poor, AND have the discipline to leave the game.

If the no max buy-in policy at wynn turns out to leave my somewhat meager bankroll at a severe disadvantage, so be it. There are plenty of games at other casinos, like MGM, or I could just play 8-16 or 15-30 at the wynn. I have the discipline to leave a game when conditions are poor. After all, I live here, there is always another game to be found.

If you want to buy into 1-2 no limit for $40,000, go ahead. I think you'll find it to be MAJOR overkill tho. There is only going to be so much money on the table, and it will be mostly proportionate to the size of the blinds, not the fact that they are all no max buy-in.

On the flip side, I do think that buying into 1-2 with $300 or more will wind up being a significant advantage for players such as myself, particularly if the game happens to be full of timid, fishy players who aren't buying in for much more than the $100 minimum.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

This is a FANTASTIC idea. This alone might make me want to play this game constantly. California casinos mostly do it this way (at least the ones I have played in) and there is NO DOUBT it stimilates MAJOR ACTION.

AL

[Trainwreck]

Nice follow up, I was exaggerating a bit on the 40G's of course, but Binion's has same policy on their NL game and I have heard that there are several evil doers who hide stacks of $100's under their chip trays in that game.

Would be amusing to bring a few $1000 chips to the $1/$2 at Wynn and it won't look so threatening at first when surrounded by $200 in $1's.

>TW<

[radek2166]

I wanted to talk to you last night. I was seated at table 20 seat 4 next to the dude in blue with the Dodgers cap.
I was with in earshot of you last night when you were chating with Daniel. I was really impressed with the room I agree it was a bit cramped.

Cheers
Steve