Weak play, or right play

drewjustdrew · #1 12-14-2004, 01:49 AM

On the bubble in Pstars $20 w/rebuys NL tourney. I have about 16000 which is probably 30th out of 37. Limits i think are 1000-2000 with 100 ante. UTG I get QQ. Perfect opportunity to move up in chips? I folded. I had gone all in several times before, but did not like the situation given that it was the bubble.

Results: finished 13th.

For what it's worth, while still on the bubble, in the small blind two hands later, I went all in with a 2-3 off because I had the big blind covered by $6000. He folded of course.

zaxx19 · #2 12-14-2004, 02:08 AM

Uhh, what was the minimum cash here?? Also when did the minimum jump and how far did it go up?? And what was the avg stack at the time??

drewjustdrew · #3 12-14-2004, 02:01 PM

Average stack was about $52000.

36th place was about $120. 1st place about $5200.

It was pokerstars, so next limit went to 1500-3000 $150 ante I believe.

Nick B. · #4 12-14-2004, 02:15 AM

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On the bubble in Pstars $20 w/rebuys NL tourney. I have about 16000 which is probably 30th out of 37. Limits i think are 1000-2000 with 100 ante. UTG I get QQ. Perfect opportunity to move up in chips? I folded. I had gone all in several times before, but did not like the situation given that it was the bubble.

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Getting a premium hand after raising several times is the perfect situation. Your fold is awful.

zaxx19 · #5 12-14-2004, 02:22 AM

I thought that at first but...

1) If his stack is pathetically small compared to the median or Avg

2)There is no jump from 30th ---say...20th and the stack is so small that even with a double up its doubtful he will make a jump.

3)He KNOWS mathematically the probabilty of making the bubble without being anted off is like 90%.

Then wouldnt the fold be EV+/???

All that being said I WONT FOLD QQ HERE unless I need rent money or baby formula from cashing.

drewjustdrew · #6 12-14-2004, 02:04 PM

These were most of the points I considered. As I said in another response, my play may not have been the best, but it wasn't horrible either. Too extreme.

drewjustdrew · #7 12-14-2004, 02:02 PM

It might have been bad, but not awful in my OPINION (no proof). I'll give my thought process in response to a later poster.

Jdanz · #8 12-14-2004, 02:25 AM

with 8 times the blind this is a balls ass terrible fold. There are two hands in the deck you don't want calling and if they're not out you get a 20% increase in your stack, or a lot of chips in the middle as a big to very big favorite. It doens't matter if he's short stacked compared to the field in this situation it's more important how he is compared to the blind. And he's fine. And his chips needed to go in.

-JDanz

drewjustdrew · #9 12-14-2004, 02:07 PM

8 times the big blind, but 4 times the cost per round. It was about $4000 per round. there are many more hands than two that i don't want calling here. Any ace, any king, AA, KK. Plus potential for suckout. In later position, i make the play, but with 7 to act behind me, 6 with substantially more chips, I figured a call was likely and I would be AT BEST a 66% favorite. Now, you think that is automatic, and maybe it is, but AT BEST means I could have been much lower.

Potowame · #10 12-14-2004, 02:19 PM

This is Bad Bad thought process.

I would push JJ and 1010 here with that stack, my bubble dosn't start till 20 players, I define the bubble for myself as the 20 - final table. Most of the time I am very aggressive around the "bubble" and it pays off when players are folding hands like QQ utg. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]