KK with lots of action preflop... what to do? (cleanedup hand history)

[skierdude1000]

[STT] $5 NL 4090503-4 Holdem No Limit 20/40

Seat 1 : 3ltr24v has $2,360
Seat 2 : LoweytheYid has $1,680
Seat 3 : wilfman has $2,380
Seat 4 : Diese has $1,980
Seat 5 : toytowncar has $1,880
Seat 6 : TBuckingham has $1,920
Seat 7 : stspaise has $2,480
Seat 8 : billfish has $1,320
Seat 9 : jesushand has $2,000
TBuckingham is the dealer.
stspaise posted small blind.
billfish posted big blind.

Seat 4 : Diese has Ks Kh
1 fold
3ltr24v called 40
LoweytheYid called 40
wilfman called 40
Diese called 40 and raised 200
3 folds

billfish called 200 and raised 400
3ltr24v folded.
LoweytheYid called 600
wilfman folded.
Diese called 400 and raised 1,340 and is All-in
billfish called 680 and is All-in
LoweytheYid called 1,040 and is All-in

Showdown!
Diese has Ks Kh
LoweytheYid has Ac 5c
billfish has Jc Kc

Board cards [6h 7c 4h 9s 8c]

LoweytheYid wins 720 with Straight 98765
LoweytheYid wins 4,060 with Straight 98765



Now I know this is a bad beat, but I thought one of them had AA preflop the way the action was going. Was it ok to push here to isolate the hand hopefully or do I just call for like half my stack and see a flop?


I took the time this time to clean up the hand history that everyone usually doesn't like.


Thanks guys

[Womble]

I had KK twice today in the first round and lost both times and crashed out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Anyway, I will always go all in if given the opportunity preflop (some resistance needed so you dont just get the blinds) and if I lose, so be it. AA is your only fear here and people will not always have it.

Have you seen 'rounders'? There is a quote in there about KK which fits here. cant remember it though

[KramerTM]

Bad beat post!!!

Just kidding. This is a legit question. Anyway, my rule of thumb is... at the $5 tables, the "K" might as well be an "A." In other words, play KK like AA -- try to get as much money in the pot as possible before the flop. If someone had AA there, well, you bust (only 20% of the time actually) and move on to another tourney. They'll have junk at these low limits more often than not.

[ldavidjm]

Don't post the results because then it looks like it is a bad beat post. I've never folded KK preflop in a STT, and until you're playing 215's you shouldn't either, and perhaps not even then.

You got in in PF which is what you want to do.

[KramerTM]

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Have you seen 'rounders'? There is a quote in there about KK which fits here. cant remember it though

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"Teddy's representing Aces here, the only hand better than my cowboys. Now I can believe him, and give it up, or..."

Then Mike pushes all his chips in and Teddy lays it down, frustrated. Awesome scene. Awesome movie.

[Maulik]

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Bad beat post!!!

Just kidding. This is a legit question. Anyway, my rule of thumb is... at the $5 tables, the "K" might as well be an "A." In other words, play KK like AA -- try to get as much money in the pot as possible before the flop. If someone had AA there, well, you bust (only 20% of the time actually) and move on to another tourney. They'll have junk at these low limits more often than not.

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At virtually any left you've got to pay off AA. El Diablo has a post about KK where he suspects he's against AA in a NL 25/50 game. Ray Zee's contribution to that post is eventually if you muck KK and explain your thought process your opponents will try and get you off many more hands if you're willing to muck KK. Long story short, he got stacked to AA and reloaded.

Moral of the story don't muck KK.

[Womble]

What about QQ in the early rounds? If there is resistance should you call and then go from the flop? Or do you try and get all in?

[AliasMrJones]

To get me to fold KK preflop you'll have to pry the cards from my cold, dead hands.

[ReDeYES88]

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What about QQ in the early rounds? If there is resistance should you call and then go from the flop? Or do you try and get all in?


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. . pause for a second, think about what you just wrote, and tell us why or why not this is a good idea. . .

[HeroInBlack]

Man, this looks familiar. I will restrain myself from posting my own bad beat from the Stars 10+1 last night.

Harrington says to play KK preflop just like you would AA (i.e. never fold it), so that's what I do.