Never Draw to an Inside Straight

binions · #1 11-19-2005, 05:34 PM

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button caps, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (20.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, MP1 calls.

River: (21.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

The key was calling 2 bets back to me preflop. I was getting over 6:1 on the call, and 64s is 3.7:1 to flop a 2 pair or better made hand + at least an 8 out draw.

On the flop, I figured I had 5-6 outs with the gutshot and backdoor flush draw. Thankfully, the guy who flopped a set merely check-called the flop so I got to see the turn getting 20:1 odds. Gotta love 2-4 players.

The rest is history - I get called a "moron" for playing "trash", etc.

bobhalford · #2 11-19-2005, 05:56 PM

Even if it was 2 bets to you on the flop you would have been able to call getting 10-1 to hit a 5. But then there are 10 cards to beat you on the river. nh

#3 11-19-2005, 06:44 PM

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The rest is history - I get called a "moron" for playing "trash", etc.

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They just hataz wiff no post flop skillz.

PokerBob · #4 11-19-2005, 06:51 PM

fold preflop....twice.

sy_or_bust · #5 11-19-2005, 07:05 PM

the preflop limp is pretty bad.

Redd · #6 11-19-2005, 07:10 PM

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fold preflop....twice.

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I second this.

#7 11-19-2005, 07:12 PM

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I was getting over 6:1 on the call, and 64s is 3.7:1 to flop a 2 pair or better made hand + at least an 8 out draw.

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sorry, explain this?

PITTM · #8 11-19-2005, 08:04 PM

this post sucked. as a result. i ask that you please stop using my avatar. thx. <3

rj

Yako · #9 11-19-2005, 08:32 PM

Pittm, yours is better, it's closer up.
Everyone else, don't be fooled by a clear fake! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

binions · #10 11-19-2005, 10:37 PM

You can fold in the cutoff with a suited 1 gapper after 2 limpers if you don't like money. I mean, what the hell are you waiting for?

As I said, with a suited 1 gapper you are 3.7:1 to flop:

2 pair,
trips,
a boat,
4 of a kind,
a straight,
a flush,
an 8 out straight draw on an unpaired board that is not 3 flush against you, or
a 9 out flush draw on an unpaired board

I assume all of you agree those are flops worth playing in a multiway pot in good position.

With 2 limpers plus the blinds, I am getting 3.5:1 on the call, almost exactly 3.7:1. My good position makes up for the difference, plus the likelihood the SB completes.

When it comes back to me, it is $4 to call with $25 in the pot - 6.25:1. Again, you can fold a suited 1 gapper for $4 in good position with a monster multiway pot brewing, but only if you hate money.