Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)

macdaddy991 · #1 08-29-2005, 10:16 PM

Playing a tournament, decided to play one cash table as well. First hand at the new table. My main concerns are PF and the river.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Raise for value here? I have four opponents that aren't going anywhere. Give me some math here.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

I couldn't fold here, but couldn't find a bet either. Critique the river.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

This may seem like a no brainer hand. The reason I am posting it is more for my heat of battle decisions, especially when most of my attention is on the other tourney table.

irishpint · #2 08-29-2005, 10:25 PM

preflop i usually wont raise this out of the big blind, id rather keep the pot small and get them to fold the flop or turn if their overs dont hit/ give them incorrect odds to draw. I think you need to bet that river- when you checked i called you a sly bastard thinking you'd be going for the c/r but it didn't happen.

hizo1 · #3 08-29-2005, 10:25 PM

hmmm... i don't mind the way this is played because most aces will bet this after you check, but I might have value bet the river because those aces will call you as well. I don't think it's correct to assume somebody's hit their flush but please correct me if i'm wrong.

what's your plan if it's bet and raised back to you after you check?

bozlax · #4 08-29-2005, 10:26 PM

I don't want to do math, so I won't talk about preflop.

If you were going to get cute, anywhere, I'd do it on the flop...c/r an EP bet or something. Or check, then c/r the river.

Why couldn't you find a raise on the river, again? I can't believe that you were lucky enough that some dumbass bet it for you, but that's poker...raise that mutha!

Fryguy · #5 08-29-2005, 10:32 PM

Nobody has said they have a flush, but nobody has said they don't have it. Nevertheless I think I value-bet the river and call a raise.

Read dependant, but I probably at least consider check-raising this flop.

Paxosmotic · #6 08-29-2005, 10:36 PM

Bozlax,
On this hand, how can we raise here?
On the river I can see a bet/call,
But not a check/raise.
Seems like spewing, doesn't it?

hizo1 · #7 08-29-2005, 10:39 PM

I don't like checkraising here on the flop unless the bet comes from one of the first two players on my left because I feel that it scares weak draws in a small pot when I hold a very strong hand. Thoughts?

irishpint · #8 08-29-2005, 10:40 PM

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Bozlax,
On this hand, how can we raise here?
On the river I can see a bet/call,
But not a check/raise.
Seems like spewing, doesn't it?

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what makes you think it's spewing? we haven't been pushed back once and he only bet after we had checked.

Paxosmotic · #9 08-29-2005, 10:43 PM

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what makes you think it's spewing? we haven't been pushed back once and he only bet after we had checked.

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MP1 didn't have a flush to push back with until now. Most players don't know to raise their draws. If I make my flush on the river and the guy I was planning to raise just checks, I'm going to have to bet it myself. I think we have enough equity to call but I don't know that we're ahead. I'm just interested to hear arguments.

macdaddy991 · #10 08-29-2005, 10:46 PM

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Read dependant, but I probably at least consider check-raising this flop.

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Where is my bet going to come from? This would be a bad flop to let get checked through. I think betting out is better here..it is for value.