a fairly common A-xs situation

I come across this situation quite a lot when playing A-xs and am wondering what the right play is.

a loose/passive $1/$2 pacific game

Hero is UTG with Ah-3h. Hero calls, 3 limpers call, SB folds and BB checks. 5SB's

Flop: 2c, 5d, 10s . BB bets, Hero ..?

So missed the flush but got a gutshot. I've been raising quite a lot here to try and fold out other A-x hands so if I do spike an ace, it might win. Is this a bit over-aggressive with this rather weak draw on a smallish pot?

[Vote4Pedro]

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Is this a bit over-aggressive with this rather weak draw on a smallish pot?


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yep...too small/weak to get overly exited about

[aargh57]

I recall a post that post the question of whether or not to go with the SSH guidelines for loose games and play Ax's in EP and if I remember correctly most said that it wasn't a profitable play. Also, I think that for a game to be loose enough to be using those guidelines you need a VPIP of about 55% which is unlikely (even at Pacific).

Anyway, having said that, I think that this is a fold. The pot isn't that big so even if you can get the limpers to fold you will still be drawing to about 5-6 outs (I'm discounting your A a little).

[imported_The Vibesman]

If you had two overs and a gutshot, or an open-ended draw, I'd like it more. As it is, with the pot so small, you should probably just fold.

I'd watch out for playing hands this marginal in EP - you need to be reasonably certain you won't get raised and you'll get about half your opponents in on the flop, and that's hard to be sure of in EP in most games, even 1/2.

[Aaron W.]

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I've been raising quite a lot here to try and fold out other A-x hands so if I do spike an ace, it might win. Is this a bit over-aggressive with this rather weak draw on a smallish pot?

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If you actually managed to fold out other A-x hands, how often do you spike an ace?

[deception5]

You are making the right play on the wrong pot. A 5SB pot is nothing to get excited about. Check and fold here unless you think you can get odds for your gutshot. These type of aggressive plays are meant for large pots where you would call but raising buys you a larger share of a huge pot. Spending 2SB to get a larger share of a 6SB pot in which you are likely drawing is just not profitable.

Don't play Axs from EP. It's real power is in LP when there are enough people in the hand to get you the correct odds for the nut flush, as opposed to playing it in EP and getting incorrect odds for the gutshot wheel draw and all sorts of complications when there's an A on the board.

[Rev. Good Will]

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Don't play Axs from EP

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i stopped reading there.

there's a ton of value from Axs, even OOP, don't be a wuss and learn to extract it the value from it.

[Shillx]

Fold. Things to consider when choosing to either call or raise are...

1) Pot size - This one is too small to fight for.

2) Relative position and free card possibility - You are in bad position relative to the bettor since it could get raised behind you. You also have no shot at getting a free card here.

3) Backdoor draws - You have none.


Brad

Yes i think it is overaggressive.
On the other hand i would throw the hand away without a second thought..
Knoss